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Old 08-08-2012, 11:58 AM   #16
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Re: 2pr facing river raise

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RIVER ($23.50) 5 K A J 2

Hero bets $18, UTG+2 raises to $44.75

Do I call here? If not, what is the worst hand I can call?
Personally, I think river is a spot for check/bluff-catching with your 2-pr.
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Old 08-08-2012, 12:13 PM   #17
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Re: 2pr facing river raise

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And the true purpose of this thread is revealed- mass berating of hero's "shocking" river call! Who was the spaz reg?

nah, I was curious as to what other people would do with a hand such as two pair in this spot so as to better understand how good of a bluff spot it is. this was not on stars so you wouldn't know the reg, and he didn't have KJ either, but 67s
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Old 08-08-2012, 05:56 PM   #18
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Re: 2pr facing river raise

grunching...

I'm probably folding when I'm playing my A game (which is not to say it's a good fold).

Factors pushing me towards fold:

* Your line. Action in the hand leaves you with a wide range once the turn checks through but you definitely have plenty of big hands in you range. He doesn't seem to worried about that.

* His line. Weird line. I would think most of the hands that you're beating on the river (Ax hands) would have bet the turn to get value from draws. Although I'd expect a lot of agg players to keep betting a fd on that turn. Once he checks the turn back and raises a river that completes the draw I think his range is more heavily weighted towards flushes.

*I don't think you see too many river bluff raises at these stakes but I may be selling the avg player short.

Is your hand best as a bluff catcher by the time the river hits? If villain isn't going to call with Ax (and I think he bets that on the turn more often than not) then there really isn't any reason to bet unless you're thinking you can induce (which obv you're not with no real history). It's a pretty bad river for him to be calling light on so I don't think they're is much value in your bet.

As far as how light I'd call in your spot...I'm probably to stubborn to fold aces up or better, even though a lot of what I just said still applies to some of the hands in that range.

Oh, one more reason to fold...f two pair.
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Old 08-08-2012, 07:31 PM   #19
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curiosity call
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Old 08-09-2012, 02:39 PM   #20
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Personally, I think river is a spot for check/bluff-catching with your 2-pr.
i'd anticipate a large bet on the river fwiwiwiw
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Old 08-09-2012, 02:50 PM   #21
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Re: 2pr facing river raise

checking the river is not good.
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Old 08-09-2012, 03:07 PM   #22
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Re: 2pr facing river raise

Can't believe no one's mentioned flop yet.
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Old 08-09-2012, 03:09 PM   #23
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haha good point. definitely don't do that.

Last edited by SmbSmbSmb; 08-09-2012 at 03:10 PM. Reason: kind of an extension of why we don't call pre.
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Old 08-09-2012, 03:12 PM   #24
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Re: 2pr facing river raise

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Really? It's not as bad an error as, say, your pre-flop play in the AJ hand.



And the true purpose of this thread is revealed- mass berating of hero's "shocking" river call! Who was the spaz reg?



Eh? Why do you think that?
you're starting to get annoying
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Old 08-09-2012, 05:13 PM   #25
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what about c/jam bruff, smb?
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Old 08-09-2012, 05:20 PM   #26
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Re: 2pr facing river raise

not a good spot to check/jam bruff i dont think.
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Re: 2pr facing river raise

Is this ever not Jxdd? As played obviously not trying to comment on possible ch/jam bluff.
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Old 08-09-2012, 07:04 PM   #28
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are u saying they wont raise lower flushes for value or that they dont have any lower flushes in this spot?
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Old 08-09-2012, 07:07 PM   #29
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i think he's making assumptions based on the turn action.
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Old 08-09-2012, 07:34 PM   #30
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Re: 2pr facing river raise

you mean fds, not flushes, right?

i would assume that fds that haven't turned a pair are arguably more likely to barrel the turn, vs a pretty capped range. that might not necessarily be the case for your typical 100nl reg, i dunno.

if you can decide which category your opponent falls into, then you can correctly b/c or b/f the river.
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