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Old 07-25-2012, 07:12 PM   #1
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Question 200NL fold kings preflop?

Villain in this hand is 21/11 with a 5% 3bet over 400 hands, he particularly likes 3betting from the BB vs steals and he squeezes 6% from all positions.

Should I be folding this? It seems he is displaying a lot of strength because hes not only not folding to the allin but he's shoving over my cold reraise, seems like Aces a lot.





    Merge, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13580582

    UTG+1: $157.77 (78.9 bb)
    UTG+2: $488.06 (244 bb)
    MP1: $143.52 (71.8 bb)
    MP2: $55.10 (27.6 bb)
    Hero (MP3): $544.84 (272.4 bb)
    CO: $163.23 (81.6 bb)
    BTN: $227.35 (113.7 bb)
    SB: $304.61 (152.3 bb)
    BB: $278.53 (139.3 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K K
    3 folds, MP2 raises to $5.33, Hero calls $5.33, 2 folds, SB calls $4.33, BB raises to $24.53, MP2 raises to $55.10 and is all-in, Hero raises to $125.13, SB folds, BB raises to $278.53 and is all-in, Hero calls $153.40

    Flop: ($617.49) 5 4 3 (3 players, 2 are all-in)
    Turn: ($617.49) 6 (3 players, 2 are all-in)
    River: ($617.49) 3 (3 players, 2 are all-in)

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    Old 07-25-2012, 07:17 PM   #2
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    Re: 200NL fold kings preflop?

    Yay, a "should I fold KK pre thread". We have not had one for ages, this will be fun
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    Old 07-25-2012, 07:21 PM   #3
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    Re: 200NL fold kings preflop?

    Well they dont call this game nitring for nothin ya know
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    Old 07-25-2012, 07:21 PM   #4
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    Re: 200NL fold kings preflop?

    dont be grumpy
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    Old 07-25-2012, 07:27 PM   #5
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    Re: 200NL fold kings preflop?

    all three of your posts almost leveled me into seriously responding.

    you sir, whoever you are, are extremely good.
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    Old 07-25-2012, 07:31 PM   #6
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    Re: 200NL fold kings preflop?

    ha, that would make more sense.
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    Old 07-25-2012, 07:35 PM   #7
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    Question Re: 200NL fold kings preflop?

    I'm glad all ya'll are having fun at my expense. I lost money in this hand, of course i am grumpy mister SA. i guess i'm glad i ALMOST got a serious response but i was hoping to actually get a serious response.

    is this the wrong forum or something? should I be posting in higher stakes forums where people take poker more seriously?
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    Old 07-25-2012, 10:40 PM   #8
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    Re: 200NL fold kings preflop?

    more up to where they respect your levels
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    Old 07-26-2012, 02:45 AM   #9
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    Re: 200NL fold kings preflop?

    Ok, ill go serious.

    I think the reason your getting beat up over this post is that it comes over as a bad beat post. Also KK preflop is usually viewed as no brainer ship it. I play zoom poker myself theese days, and would argue that there are some spots to folk KK pre there. But back when i played "regular" fullring your example is a ship for me everyday.

    As for your hand i feel you go about it wrong. Ask yourself what the ranges of your villains are, and then use Propokertools or simular to calc the EV. Play around with it and look up some numbers. Try both wide and tight ranges.

    Id imagine there are many leaks in ones game to plug before KK all in preflop spots tho...


    Edit: I read your other two posts and regret going serious.

    Last edited by Djay; 07-26-2012 at 02:53 AM. Reason: I was dumb in the first place.
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