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Old 07-10-2012, 11:01 PM   #1
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100NL Zoom : TPTK face turn check shove BB vs SB

Here is a hand player few weeks ago, that I already discussed with few poker friends already. Altough, I still think the turn spot is interesting and I was a little bit surprised to see him take this line.

I had him at 14/11 over 1.2k hands
He steal 33% from SB and fold 80% vs resteal. This is basically why I decided to flat pre.

He cbet 73% OTF, but has a weird 29% turn cbet combined with a 40% turn c/raise % (this number might be a little screwed tought, 10 observations only) and a 6.1 agg factor.

I am mainly interested in the turn spot, as I would like to know what range you assign him OTT? I really don't know why he would check shove OTT that big, making his bluffs so expensive.... and I think he would barrel a lot of the time with draws here and the Q is a good card to barrel. Plus, by betting that big , he reduce a lot our calling range to mainly sets (and MAYBE AQ with history / specific read I guess). Also, we never ever have QQ here and we probably raise a lot of strong hands OTF on such a wet board. So can he just try to make us fold the narrow range that he realisticly represent (can he think at that level).

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PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($96.51)
SB ($100)
Hero (BB) ($118.49)
UTG ($63.65)
UTG+1 ($141.64)
MP1 ($198.75)
MP2 ($34.07)
MP3 ($168.18)
CO ($106.66)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, Q
7 folds, SB bets $3, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($6) 2, 3, 5 (2 players)
SB bets $3.83, Hero calls $3.83

Turn: ($13.66) Q (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $8, SB raises to $93.17 (All-In)
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Old 07-10-2012, 11:24 PM   #2
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Re: 100NL Zoom : TPTK face turn check shove BB vs SB

I am pretty sure that I'd sit and scratch my head for a sec, and then probably shrug-call. We obv play against villain a respectable amount, and I think the note on this hand will have more than enough value regardless if he's just randomly spazzing or for some reason proplaying set/overpair. My first inclination is that he decided you were on a club draw and he has a weak hand, or no hand, or at best something like Qxcc with a worse Q than ours. But again, if he's proplaying a monster, welp, he gets paid I guess.
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Old 07-10-2012, 11:41 PM   #3
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Re: 100NL Zoom : TPTK face turn check shove BB vs SB

yea i think shrug-call. if he has a set or KK+ then gj to him, he's a tard and you get to take a note that he doesn't barrel whatever hand he shows up with and that's pretty important. i think you can consider raising flop some of the time also, but flatting is probably better.
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Old 07-11-2012, 12:03 AM   #4
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Re: 100NL Zoom : TPTK face turn check shove BB vs SB

call.
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Old 07-11-2012, 12:21 AM   #5
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Re: 100NL Zoom : TPTK face turn check shove BB vs SB

yeah definitely a call.

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Old 07-11-2012, 04:36 AM   #6
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Re: 100NL Zoom : TPTK face turn check shove BB vs SB

Call he has KQcc
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Old 07-11-2012, 05:21 AM   #7
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Re: 100NL Zoom : TPTK face turn check shove BB vs SB

High five screen & call
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Old 07-11-2012, 05:42 AM   #8
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Re: 100NL Zoom : TPTK face turn check shove BB vs SB

^ lol

what was villain's fcb?

he has bluffs too here
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Re: 100NL Zoom : TPTK face turn check shove BB vs SB

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^ lol

what was villain's fcb?

he has bluffs too here
73% flop cbet
or you mean fold to cbet? I think this one is irrevelant here?
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Old 07-11-2012, 06:59 AM   #10
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Re: 100NL Zoom : TPTK face turn check shove BB vs SB

I can see a fold being good occasionally.......but only when timing out due to me doing my happy dance.
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Re: 100NL Zoom : TPTK face turn check shove BB vs SB

i meant fcb.

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