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Old 02-23-2012, 01:52 PM   #1
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Question 100NL: short fish backraise shoves over 4bet

Merge - $1 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $217.54
UTG+1: $86.33
MP: $121.36
MP+1: $207.81
LP: $119.69
CO: $64.90
BTN: $136.31
Hero (SB): $100.00
BB: $125.67

Hero posts SB $0.50, BB posts BB $1.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero has Q Q

fold, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to $3.00, fold, CO calls $3.00, fold, Hero raises to $11.00, fold, MP+1 raises to $23.00, CO raises to $64.90 and is all-in, ?

MP+1 is 19/15 reg who can be bluffing here sometimes, CO is 18/5 fish.
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Old 02-23-2012, 02:03 PM   #2
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Re: 100NL: short fish backraise shoves over 4bet

CO stats for how many hands?

I can let this go
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Old 02-23-2012, 02:16 PM   #3
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Re: 100NL: short fish backraise shoves over 4bet

obv depends alot on hou u playing too.
more pre plz, esp oop.
as played i believe this is a fold, unless MP+1 is spewy reg. he should not expect u to be light there, esp with ur sizing, esp oop and esp with the fish in the hand.
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Old 02-23-2012, 02:39 PM   #4
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Re: 100NL: short fish backraise shoves over 4bet

5k hands for CO.
What's your size then, 12?
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Old 02-23-2012, 02:51 PM   #5
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Re: 100NL: short fish backraise shoves over 4bet

if i were an 18/5 fish and there were a raise, reraise, and rereraise in front of me, i would only rerereraise with aces or kings
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Old 02-23-2012, 02:54 PM   #6
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Re: 100NL: short fish backraise shoves over 4bet

so are we in agreement fish has like a tricky KK+ here like 90% of the time?
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Old 02-23-2012, 03:10 PM   #7
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Re: 100NL: short fish backraise shoves over 4bet

pretty sure its a fold
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Old 02-23-2012, 03:16 PM   #8
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Re: 100NL: short fish backraise shoves over 4bet

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so are we in agreement fish has like a tricky KK+ here like 90% of the time?
prob like 75, but if the reg has aa/kk 50 percent of the time the fish doesnt, then we're looking at 88 percent of the time we're dicked.
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Old 02-23-2012, 03:35 PM   #9
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Re: 100NL: short fish backraise shoves over 4bet

what exactly is tricky about an 18/5 backraise shoving?
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Old 02-23-2012, 03:56 PM   #10
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Re: 100NL: short fish backraise shoves over 4bet

By tricky i mean the fact he didn't 3bet aa/kk. Anyway thanks guys, neither villain had what I expected after I folded so i thought I'd throw it out there.
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Old 02-24-2012, 12:10 AM   #11
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Re: 100NL: short fish backraise shoves over 4bet

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prob like 75, but if the reg has aa/kk 50 percent of the time the fish doesnt, then we're looking at 88 percent of the time we're dicked.
Your maths is wrong. We are dicked 125% of the time.
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Old 02-24-2012, 12:23 AM   #12
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Re: 100NL: short fish backraise shoves over 4bet

fish probs knows this and is bluffing with Axhh
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Re: 100NL: short fish backraise shoves over 4bet

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fish probs knows this and is bluffing with Axhh
can't believe no one has said this already
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Old 02-25-2012, 07:02 AM   #14
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Re: 100NL: short fish backraise shoves over 4bet

Pretty shocked so many people want to fold. Most regs flat AA/KK here to keep the fish in and the fish can have plenty more than AA with a 60bb stack. I think this is a pretty easy shove.
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Old 02-25-2012, 12:57 PM   #15
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Re: 100NL: short fish backraise shoves over 4bet

So not even close, just an easy shove?
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