100NL: short fish backraise shoves over 4bet
 

Merge - $1 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $217.54
UTG+1: $86.33
MP: $121.36
MP+1: $207.81
LP: $119.69
CO: $64.90
BTN: $136.31
Hero (SB): $100.00
BB: $125.67

Hero posts SB $0.50, BB posts BB $1.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero has Q:diamond: Q:heart:

fold, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to $3.00, fold, CO calls $3.00, fold, Hero raises to $11.00, fold, MP+1 raises to $23.00, CO raises to $64.90 and is all-in, ?

MP+1 is 19/15 reg who can be bluffing here sometimes, CO is 18/5 fish.

Re: 100NL: short fish backraise shoves over 4bet
 

CO stats for how many hands?

I can let this go

Re: 100NL: short fish backraise shoves over 4bet
 

obv depends alot on hou u playing too.
more pre plz, esp oop.
as played i believe this is a fold, unless MP+1 is spewy reg. he should not expect u to be light there, esp with ur sizing, esp oop and esp with the fish in the hand.

Re: 100NL: short fish backraise shoves over 4bet
 

5k hands for CO.
What's your size then, 12?

Re: 100NL: short fish backraise shoves over 4bet
 

if i were an 18/5 fish and there were a raise, reraise, and rereraise in front of me, i would only rerereraise with aces or kings

Re: 100NL: short fish backraise shoves over 4bet
 

so are we in agreement fish has like a tricky KK+ here like 90% of the time?

Re: 100NL: short fish backraise shoves over 4bet
 

pretty sure its a fold

Re: 100NL: short fish backraise shoves over 4bet
 

prob like 75, but if the reg has aa/kk 50 percent of the time the fish doesnt, then we're looking at 88 percent of the time we're dicked.

Re: 100NL: short fish backraise shoves over 4bet
 

what exactly is tricky about an 18/5 backraise shoving?

Re: 100NL: short fish backraise shoves over 4bet
 

By tricky i mean the fact he didn't 3bet aa/kk. Anyway thanks guys, neither villain had what I expected after I folded so i thought I'd throw it out there.

Re: 100NL: short fish backraise shoves over 4bet
 

Your maths is wrong. We are dicked 125% of the time.

Re: 100NL: short fish backraise shoves over 4bet
 

fish probs knows this and is bluffing with Axhh

Re: 100NL: short fish backraise shoves over 4bet
 

can't believe no one has said this already

Re: 100NL: short fish backraise shoves over 4bet
 

Pretty shocked so many people want to fold. Most regs flat AA/KK here to keep the fish in and the fish can have plenty more than AA with a 60bb stack. I think this is a pretty easy shove.

Re: 100NL: short fish backraise shoves over 4bet
 

So not even close, just an easy shove?

Re: 100NL: short fish backraise shoves over 4bet
 

am actually Hero should be pretty wide but all for value so villain doesn't have to be spewy to 4b here with a range of AK/QQ+ and against this range+fish in pot this is a call I think.

Re: 100NL: short fish backraise shoves over 4bet
 

What about MP+1's 4bet? I think that should be enough to make us think about a fold here. We still have the 4bettor behind to worry about. I don't think the fact that both villains showed up with some spazz means that the fold is bad. Did MP+1 have a high 4bet % or anything?

Re: 100NL: short fish backraise shoves over 4bet
 

Seems to me 4bet could be pretty weak range because it kinda looks like a squeeze to isolate with fish. I wouldn't be surprised if MP+1 turns over 77-JJ or even AQo/AJo here. Shove behind fish MP+1 folds and hopefully you run over A9o. Fish might even have a small pair here and be flipping in his mind?

Re: 100NL: short fish backraise shoves over 4bet
 

MP: RFI 18, 4b 12
LP: RFI 45, 4b 9