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02-23-2012 , 01:52 PM

waffe23

old hand

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,881

Merge - $1 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $217.54
UTG+1: $86.33
MP: $121.36
MP+1: $207.81
LP: $119.69
CO: $64.90
BTN: $136.31
Hero (SB): $100.00
BB: $125.67

Hero posts SB $0.50, BB posts BB $1.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero has Q

fold, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to $3.00, fold, CO calls $3.00, fold, Hero raises to $11.00, fold, MP+1 raises to $23.00, CO raises to $64.90 and is all-in, ?

MP+1 is 19/15 reg who can be bluffing here sometimes, CO is 18/5 fish.

02-23-2012 , 02:03 PM

King Spew

Just average

Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 15,219

CO stats for how many hands?

I can let this go

02-23-2012 , 02:16 PM

ranil

adept

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 714

obv depends alot on hou u playing too.
more pre plz, esp oop.
as played i believe this is a fold, unless MP+1 is spewy reg. he should not expect u to be light there, esp with ur sizing, esp oop and esp with the fish in the hand.

02-23-2012 , 02:39 PM

waffe23

old hand

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5k hands for CO.
What's your size then, 12?

02-23-2012 , 02:51 PM

vinivici9586

Breakfast?

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if i were an 18/5 fish and there were a raise, reraise, and rereraise in front of me, i would only rerereraise with aces or kings

02-23-2012 , 02:54 PM

waffe23

old hand

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,881

so are we in agreement fish has like a tricky KK+ here like 90% of the time?

02-23-2012 , 03:10 PM

omnishakira

High Troller

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pretty sure its a fold

02-23-2012 , 03:16 PM

vinivici9586

Breakfast?

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Quote:

Originally Posted by waffe23

so are we in agreement fish has like a tricky KK+ here like 90% of the time?

prob like 75, but if the reg has aa/kk 50 percent of the time the fish doesnt, then we're looking at 88 percent of the time we're dicked.

02-23-2012 , 03:35 PM

Jah Onion

Carpal \'Tunnel

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what exactly is tricky about an 18/5 backraise shoving?

02-23-2012 , 03:56 PM

#10

waffe23

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By tricky i mean the fact he didn't 3bet aa/kk. Anyway thanks guys, neither villain had what I expected after I folded so i thought I'd throw it out there.

02-24-2012 , 12:10 AM

#11

ROM Amnesty

Pooh-Bah

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Quote:

Originally Posted by vinivici9586

prob like 75, but if the reg has aa/kk 50 percent of the time the fish doesnt, then we're looking at 88 percent of the time we're dicked.

Your maths is wrong. We are dicked 125% of the time.

02-24-2012 , 12:23 AM

#12

Mayox

YOUNG MOULAH BABY

Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 3,837

fish probs knows this and is bluffing with Axhh

02-24-2012 , 04:48 AM

#13

usernameslol

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,264

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mayox

fish probs knows this and is bluffing with Axhh

can't believe no one has said this already

02-25-2012 , 07:02 AM

#14

RosaParks

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Pretty shocked so many people want to fold. Most regs flat AA/KK here to keep the fish in and the fish can have plenty more than AA with a 60bb stack. I think this is a pretty easy shove.

02-25-2012 , 12:57 PM

#15

waffe23

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So not even close, just an easy shove?

02-25-2012 , 05:39 PM

#16

tobe4funas

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ranil

am actually Hero should be pretty wide but all for value so villain doesn't have to be spewy to 4b here with a range of AK/QQ+ and against this range+fish in pot this is a call I think.

02-26-2012 , 08:39 PM

#17

Big Jon 21

adept

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 822

Quote:

Originally Posted by RosaParks

Pretty shocked so many people want to fold. Most regs flat AA/KK here to keep the fish in and the fish can have plenty more than AA with a 60bb stack. I think this is a pretty easy shove.

What about MP+1's 4bet? I think that should be enough to make us think about a fold here. We still have the 4bettor behind to worry about. I don't think the fact that both villains showed up with some spazz means that the fold is bad. Did MP+1 have a high 4bet % or anything?

02-27-2012 , 06:13 PM

#18

orophin

stranger

Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 11

Seems to me 4bet could be pretty weak range because it kinda looks like a squeeze to isolate with fish. I wouldn't be surprised if MP+1 turns over 77-JJ or even AQo/AJo here. Shove behind fish MP+1 folds and hopefully you run over A9o. Fish might even have a small pair here and be flipping in his mind?

02-27-2012 , 11:48 PM

#19

waffe23

old hand

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,881

MP: RFI 18, 4b 12
LP: RFI 45, 4b 9

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