MP2: 18/13/46 (312 hands)
Notes: views me as spewy

Hand #1
Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players -

BTN: $48.50
SB: $98.00
BB: $103.66
UTG: $153.16
Hero (UTG+1): $381.83
UTG+2: $90.97
MP1: $133.88
MP2: $109.42
CO: $92.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG+1 with 4 4
1 fold, Hero raises to $3, 2 folds, MP2 raises to $10, 4 folds,

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MP2 : Unknown


Hand #2
Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players -

BTN: $33.87
SB: $124.08
BB: $105.18
UTG: $103.25
UTG+1: $106.66
UTG+2: $105.64
MP1: $66.76
Hero (MP2): $118.49
CO: $160.18

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is MP2 with 5 5
4 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, 3 folds, BB raises to $9

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22/18/50 (100 hands)
13.3% 3bet

Hand #3
Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players -

Hero (BTN): $100.00
SB: $103.00
BB: $124.99
UTG: $119.07
UTG+1: $114.76
UTG+2: $194.08
MP1: $101.50
MP2: $161.51
CO: $40.88

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN with 2 2
6 folds, Hero raises to $3, SB raises to $9

All are pretty easy folds, although #3 is the closest.

3 is the only one I folded

so you open to 3bb in EP and LP but 2.5bb in MP? And fold all 3

+1 I just finished watching a vid on this from James "split suit" Sweeny. He goes into detail on why these are clear folds. The equation might change if you both are 200bb and he will stack with over pair to the board.

you flatted #1?

that's not pretty.

2 and 3 wouldn't be terrible to flat but I think are still folds. Flatting 1 has to be god-awful.

i wouldn't set mine 1/2 my hourly either

Not sure if the depth of stacks would make these much better calls preflop, if we could get 100 BB stacks in we could make these calls. I think its more about your opponents range and than just raw SPR. And so I also don't think three is the closest.
You need more than just depth of stacks, you need your opponent to have a fairly strong range that'll flop a lot of TPTK and overpairs. But in all of the OP examples the SPR's aren't great and we can't count on opponent to have strong ranges, especially hand 3; a resteal could be anything at all; your not gonna recoupe the loss long run here. You both have to be pretty sure you have the best hand to get stacks in even at the OP's depth. At least we have position in example 3 but i don't think its close.

FOLD
FOLD
FOLD

OP; for set mining; you want; deep stacks, position, your opponent to have strong range (so he can flop TPTK and over pairs so you can recoupe the money you lose wiffing flops and folding to cbets). You'd like to be able to win about 15X more than you invest which means you NEED to have stack depth. But you also really want your opponent to have strong range and it will be easier to build the pots post flop if you have position. Its also nice if your opponent is either super maniacal aggro or super POW (pay off wizard).

2 and 3 wouldn't be terrible to flat but I think are still folds. Flatting 1 has to be god-awful.


I don't know guys, at least in hand number one villain usually has a hand. I actually feel like number one is as close as 3 or closer.(still clear fold) cause we're not deep enough and out of position but shouldn't villain have a pretty strong range to 3 bet our EP open? If he has big pair or flops TPTK when we set we're doing OK here,no?
And the stacks arent horrible; look at the SPR and pot geometry; if hero flops set and villain catches a hand, getting stacks in seems do-able.

Villain bets 15 into 20 and we call (50)
we check turn villain bets 30 we make even a small x/r on the turn and we set up an pretty easy stack off on the river. Or if we x/r flop and bet turn we should be able to set up a nice stack off for the river too..I mean, we're gonna have to get a x/r called at some point but isnt that usually the case when trying to stack someone OOP?

Normally I fold all these but I've always followed a sort of general rule when it comes to set mining non-3bet pots.

If I have to call 1/20th of my stack I snap.
If I have to call 1/15th of my stack I call if villains range is super strong (having position helps to).

The reason I've started flatting in these hands is because they're all less than 1/15th of my stack and villains range in all but hand 3 is going to be pretty strong.
Where my original guidelines too leniant? Would uze call a 6bb open from UTG? (100bb stack, it's a normal reg whos never done this before).

I ship it so I can win against AK

If you call for 1/15th of your stack and his range is literally AA and AA only and will never fold postflop and you can fold when you flop a set on Axx boards then yes you can call. Otherwise you're losing money generally.

That is a big IF, not many regs will stack off with an OP for 200bb. You can probably get 100-125bb tought.

This is a massive amount of ownage. I feel like if vini turns, I'm going to have to duck to dodge his giant swinging ****.