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08-04-2012, 05:09 PM
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Pooh-Bah
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100NL messed up spot, river?
Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13658272
CO: $45.50 (45.5 bb)
BTN: $110.06 (110.1 bb)
SB: $39 (39 bb)
BB: $100 (100 bb)
UTG+1: $39.50 (39.5 bb)
UTG+2: $140.09 (140.1 bb)
Hero (MP1): $112.60 (112.6 bb)
MP2: $46 (46 bb)
MP3: $106.73 (106.7 bb)
Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J  A
UTG+1 raises to $3, UTG+2 folds, Hero calls $3, MP2 folds, MP3 raises to $12, 4 folds, UTG+1 calls $9, Hero calls $9
Flop: ($37.50) 7  J  8 (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks
Turn: ($37.50) T (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $18.50, MP3 calls $18.50, UTG+1 folds
River: ($74.50) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $76.23 and is all-in, Hero ?
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OR is 25/21 fish, havent seen him in action much so wasnt sure whether to 3bet or not pre esp when he's in UTG (some comments about pre are appreciated);
Villain is a good reg running 13/11 over 120 hands. I think he used to be a lot looser like 17/15 with huge 3b but i'm not sure it's the same guy.
Anyway i do expect him to squeeze wide but his postflop play confused me. He definetely doesnt have any FD's in his range, nor nuttish hands so his range should be exclusively AQ/AK and maybe KQ if he does squeeze that wide (which at 100NL u dont see that often). His river play only makes sense for KQ since I doubt he'd shove with AQ, it's after all quite thin value.
One more thing, how's my sizing OTT?
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08-04-2012, 05:48 PM
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veteran
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Re: 100NL messed up spot, river?
c/f now. c/c is beyond retarded
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08-04-2012, 11:58 PM
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veteran
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Re: 100NL messed up spot, river?
Uhh, what are you doing?
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08-05-2012, 04:47 AM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: 100NL messed up spot, river?
trying to learn somethin... obv not successfully
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08-05-2012, 06:14 AM
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adept
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Re: 100NL messed up spot, river?
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Originally Posted by tobe4funas
obv not successfully
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08-05-2012, 06:19 AM
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veteran
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Re: 100NL messed up spot, river?
why can't he have fds in his range?
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08-05-2012, 06:41 AM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: 100NL messed up spot, river?
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Originally Posted by TonnaMunz
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you're so ****ing annoying. you're prob one of the worst ssnl'ers yet u always keep commenting on me, gtfo already. i've never wanted to talk w you in the 1st place yet it feels you're chasing me or smthing. seriously grow up and *** off
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08-05-2012, 06:43 AM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: 100NL messed up spot, river?
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Originally Posted by tultfill
why can't he have fds in his range?
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wouldnt he be cbeting flop with them around idk ~80% of the time? Assuming he definetely doesnt squeeze with **** hands against fish so his FDs are NFDs
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08-05-2012, 07:26 AM
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adept
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Re: 100NL messed up spot, river?
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Originally Posted by tobe4funas
you're so ****ing annoying. you're prob one of the worst ssnl'ers yet u always keep commenting on me, gtfo already. i've never wanted to talk w you in the 1st place yet it feels you're chasing me or smthing. seriously grow up and *** off
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Sorry sir  , oh and also
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08-05-2012, 07:48 AM
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old hand
Join Date: Nov 2011
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TonnaMunz
Sorry sir  , oh and also
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Nah seriously mate, just **** off. Go and play in BBV if you think you're such a badarse troll.
If you haven't got any good advice for OP just leave it out.
OP just message the mods and they'll infract his arse so quick.
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08-05-2012, 11:56 AM
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veteran
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Re: 100NL messed up spot, river?
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Originally Posted by tobe4funas
trying to learn somethin... obv not successfully
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Pre is pretty meh. I don't understand your turn bet. I assume you're value betting but its WAY too thin. On the river he can very easily have a queen. It's not like you're gonna check with KQ or a flush with a psb behind.
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08-05-2012, 12:22 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Jan 2011
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Re: 100NL messed up spot, river?
Pre is an easy 3-bet.
-Fish will call with worse.
-you isolate the fish
-you block someone else from squeezing you
If you plan to bet the turn, it needs to be a little bigger to set up a river shove (that's what you'd do with a value hand).
I'd consider jamming the river since you can have flushes, but MP3 is unlikely to. You can probably get him off a chop. I'm not sure whether that makes up for all the times you get snapped off with a Q or KQ though.
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08-05-2012, 12:37 PM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: 100NL messed up spot, river?
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Originally Posted by RosaParks
Pre is pretty meh. I don't understand your turn bet. I assume you're value betting but its WAY too thin. On the river he can very easily have a queen. It's not like you're gonna check with KQ or a flush with a psb behind.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vikthunder
Pre is an easy 3-bet.
-Fish will call with worse.
-you isolate the fish
-you block someone else from squeezing you
If you plan to bet the turn, it needs to be a little bigger to set up a river shove (that's what you'd do with a value hand).
I'd consider jamming the river since you can have flushes, but MP3 is unlikely to. You can probably get him off a chop. I'm not sure whether that makes up for all the times you get snapped off with a Q or KQ though.
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Ok, about the turn bet, which is bothering me a lot. As Rosa said it's thin value so therefore a smallish bet and I in no way want to set up a river shove, it looks like a 1 street of value, maybe if river completely bricks i can go for another ~1/3 pot sized bet but that's rather unlikely on such board. Also the turn bets burns reg's equity if he AQ/AK that's 6 scare cards in deck to me, that's just a slight merit though.
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08-05-2012, 01:24 PM
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veteran
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Re: 100NL messed up spot, river?
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Originally Posted by oNste
Nah seriously mate, just **** off. Go and play in BBV if you think you're such a badarse troll.
If you haven't got any good advice for OP just leave it out.
OP just message the mods and they'll infract his arse so quick.
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aww friend
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08-05-2012, 01:50 PM
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old hand
Join Date: May 2012
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Re: 100NL messed up spot, river?
When you flat/call squeeze pre, you're setting yourself up for either an easy fold or a difficult time post-flop. We all make bad decisions, whether it's from being tired, tilted, or just shlt, but whenever I find myself heading to a flop in this position I think to myself:
1. How the f*ck did I get into this position?
2. I hope the flop isn't J-high, so I can fold and get away without losing any more money.
Assuming villain has no flushes/nut hands on the river is wrong, however if you do believe this then why aren't you shoving river!!?
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