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Old 08-04-2012, 05:09 PM   #1
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100NL messed up spot, river?

    Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13658272

    CO: $45.50 (45.5 bb)
    BTN: $110.06 (110.1 bb)
    SB: $39 (39 bb)
    BB: $100 (100 bb)
    UTG+1: $39.50 (39.5 bb)
    UTG+2: $140.09 (140.1 bb)
    Hero (MP1): $112.60 (112.6 bb)
    MP2: $46 (46 bb)
    MP3: $106.73 (106.7 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J A
    UTG+1 raises to $3, UTG+2 folds, Hero calls $3, MP2 folds, MP3 raises to $12, 4 folds, UTG+1 calls $9, Hero calls $9

    Flop: ($37.50) 7 J 8 (3 players)
    UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks

    Turn: ($37.50) T (3 players)
    UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $18.50, MP3 calls $18.50, UTG+1 folds

    River: ($74.50) 9 (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP3 bets $76.23 and is all-in, Hero ?

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    OR is 25/21 fish, havent seen him in action much so wasnt sure whether to 3bet or not pre esp when he's in UTG (some comments about pre are appreciated);
    Villain is a good reg running 13/11 over 120 hands. I think he used to be a lot looser like 17/15 with huge 3b but i'm not sure it's the same guy.
    Anyway i do expect him to squeeze wide but his postflop play confused me. He definetely doesnt have any FD's in his range, nor nuttish hands so his range should be exclusively AQ/AK and maybe KQ if he does squeeze that wide (which at 100NL u dont see that often). His river play only makes sense for KQ since I doubt he'd shove with AQ, it's after all quite thin value.
    One more thing, how's my sizing OTT?
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    Old 08-04-2012, 05:48 PM   #2
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    Re: 100NL messed up spot, river?

    c/f now. c/c is beyond retarded
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    Old 08-04-2012, 11:58 PM   #3
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    Re: 100NL messed up spot, river?

    Uhh, what are you doing?
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    Old 08-05-2012, 04:47 AM   #4
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    Re: 100NL messed up spot, river?

    trying to learn somethin... obv not successfully
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    Re: 100NL messed up spot, river?

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    Old 08-05-2012, 06:19 AM   #6
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    Re: 100NL messed up spot, river?

    why can't he have fds in his range?
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    Old 08-05-2012, 06:41 AM   #7
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    you're so ****ing annoying. you're prob one of the worst ssnl'ers yet u always keep commenting on me, gtfo already. i've never wanted to talk w you in the 1st place yet it feels you're chasing me or smthing. seriously grow up and *** off
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    Old 08-05-2012, 06:43 AM   #8
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    why can't he have fds in his range?
    wouldnt he be cbeting flop with them around idk ~80% of the time? Assuming he definetely doesnt squeeze with **** hands against fish so his FDs are NFDs
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    Old 08-05-2012, 07:26 AM   #9
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    you're so ****ing annoying. you're prob one of the worst ssnl'ers yet u always keep commenting on me, gtfo already. i've never wanted to talk w you in the 1st place yet it feels you're chasing me or smthing. seriously grow up and *** off
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    Old 08-05-2012, 07:48 AM   #10
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    Nah seriously mate, just **** off. Go and play in BBV if you think you're such a badarse troll.

    If you haven't got any good advice for OP just leave it out.

    OP just message the mods and they'll infract his arse so quick.
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    Old 08-05-2012, 11:56 AM   #11
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    Re: 100NL messed up spot, river?

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    Pre is pretty meh. I don't understand your turn bet. I assume you're value betting but its WAY too thin. On the river he can very easily have a queen. It's not like you're gonna check with KQ or a flush with a psb behind.
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    Old 08-05-2012, 12:22 PM   #12
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    Re: 100NL messed up spot, river?

    Pre is an easy 3-bet.

    -Fish will call with worse.
    -you isolate the fish
    -you block someone else from squeezing you

    If you plan to bet the turn, it needs to be a little bigger to set up a river shove (that's what you'd do with a value hand).

    I'd consider jamming the river since you can have flushes, but MP3 is unlikely to. You can probably get him off a chop. I'm not sure whether that makes up for all the times you get snapped off with a Q or KQ though.
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    Old 08-05-2012, 12:37 PM   #13
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    Re: 100NL messed up spot, river?

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    Pre is pretty meh. I don't understand your turn bet. I assume you're value betting but its WAY too thin. On the river he can very easily have a queen. It's not like you're gonna check with KQ or a flush with a psb behind.
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    Pre is an easy 3-bet.

    -Fish will call with worse.
    -you isolate the fish
    -you block someone else from squeezing you

    If you plan to bet the turn, it needs to be a little bigger to set up a river shove (that's what you'd do with a value hand).

    I'd consider jamming the river since you can have flushes, but MP3 is unlikely to. You can probably get him off a chop. I'm not sure whether that makes up for all the times you get snapped off with a Q or KQ though.
    Ok, about the turn bet, which is bothering me a lot. As Rosa said it's thin value so therefore a smallish bet and I in no way want to set up a river shove, it looks like a 1 street of value, maybe if river completely bricks i can go for another ~1/3 pot sized bet but that's rather unlikely on such board. Also the turn bets burns reg's equity if he AQ/AK that's 6 scare cards in deck to me, that's just a slight merit though.
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    Re: 100NL messed up spot, river?

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    Nah seriously mate, just **** off. Go and play in BBV if you think you're such a badarse troll.

    If you haven't got any good advice for OP just leave it out.

    OP just message the mods and they'll infract his arse so quick.
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    Old 08-05-2012, 01:50 PM   #15
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    Re: 100NL messed up spot, river?

    When you flat/call squeeze pre, you're setting yourself up for either an easy fold or a difficult time post-flop. We all make bad decisions, whether it's from being tired, tilted, or just shlt, but whenever I find myself heading to a flop in this position I think to myself:

    1. How the f*ck did I get into this position?
    2. I hope the flop isn't J-high, so I can fold and get away without losing any more money.

    Assuming villain has no flushes/nut hands on the river is wrong, however if you do believe this then why aren't you shoving river!!?
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