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| Small Stakes Full Ring Discussion of .50/1 and 1/2 online and 5/10 live no-limit and pot-limit Texas hold'em full ring games, situations and strategies |
07-18-2012, 11:24 AM
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old hand
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Liverpool
Posts: 1,581
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100NL - Cbet?
Hand #1
MP1: 15/13 (300 hands)
SB: 18/9 (30 hands)
BTN: $100.00
SB: $115.34
BB: $100.00
Hero (UTG): $104.44
UTG+1: $79.53
UTG+2: $101.83
MP1: $100.00
MP2: $28.03
CO: $100.00
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG with A  K
Hero raises to $3, 2 folds, MP1 calls $3, 3 folds, SB calls $2.50, 1 fold
Flop: ($10.00) 7  3  6 (3 players)
SB checks,
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Hand #2
Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
MP2: 19/13 (300 hands)
c-bet = 60% (10)
BTN: $213.97
SB: $106.11
BB: $74.00
UTG: $107.95
UTG+1: $236.06
UTG+2: $166.59
MP1: $201.59
MP2: $134.66
Hero (CO): $315.72
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is CO with A  Q
4 folds, MP2 raises to $3, Hero calls $3, 3 folds
Flop: ($7.50) 7  5  2 (2 players)
MP2 checks,
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07-18-2012, 05:01 PM
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#2
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adept
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 991
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Re: 100NL - Cbet?
1. unless you have a special reason to cbet, there is no point in doing it, just be a nit and c/f. they arent folding enough to make it ev+
2. once again, it depend on the opponent. when i have no ****ing clue on how my opponent plays, i just bet/fold, most of the people is c/f here, so it's definitely the best in vacuum
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07-18-2012, 06:23 PM
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#3
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old hand
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: River Call Efficiency <0
Posts: 1,861
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Re: 100NL - Cbet?
I don't see a reason to not bet either hand.
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07-18-2012, 07:03 PM
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#4
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old hand
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Liverpool
Posts: 1,581
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Re: 100NL - Cbet?
1. I'm worried villains the regs range will be very pp orientated and will likely call me, and the SB looks fishy.
2. I'm debating whether to check/back and check/call the next street. I think I have the best hand but can't see anything worse calling.
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07-18-2012, 07:51 PM
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old hand
Join Date: May 2005
Location: @bwilliepoker
Posts: 1,850
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Re: 100NL - Cbet?
Against most floaty regs, I either ck/fold or plan on barreling the turn. Also betting OTR if I hit an A or K or if the board doesn't particularly hit my opponents range well.
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07-18-2012, 09:43 PM
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old hand
Join Date: May 2012
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Re: 100NL - Cbet?
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Originally Posted by Deco354
2. I'm debating whether to check/back and check/call the next street. I think I have the best hand but can't see anything worse calling.
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This is a bad reason not to bet.
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07-19-2012, 12:51 AM
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old hand
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: River Call Efficiency <0
Posts: 1,861
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Re: 100NL - Cbet?
hand one it's multiway, our barrels rep a lot more strength, I'm cbetting flop with plans on barrelling most turns depending on any notes/reads on villains, and possibly 3 barrelling against some villains.
hand 2 a lot of people who check this kind of flop are ch/giving up, and I'd like to reinforce that habit. Additionally, we should be betting this with just about our entire range when checked to given board and positions. We would also prefer to not play the guessing game on subsequent streets if villain all of a sudden desires to fire and we haven't improved.
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07-19-2012, 01:08 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Posts: 270
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Re: 100NL - Cbet?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Teppec
hand 2 a lot of people who check this kind of flop are ch/giving up, and I'd like to reinforce that habit.
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Not sure how you are reinforcing it. If you always bet when he checks, wouldn't he be more likely to c/c or c/r since your range is weak?
This is not to say that betting is bad.
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07-19-2012, 03:30 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: I WANT TO STAKE YOU
Posts: 5,213
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Re: 100NL - Cbet?
just triple barrel every board until they adjust
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07-19-2012, 10:07 AM
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old hand
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: River Call Efficiency <0
Posts: 1,861
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Re: 100NL - Cbet?
I am reinforcing it by making sure they fold the flop after checking. If I don't bet the flop after they check, they can't fold, can they? If they get used to it, it will happen more often. And what is he ch/raising with that he doesn't just cbet considering the board, his stats, and our positions? I'd call bull**** if that happened. If I have a lot of history with villain, maybe I check it back sometimes, but generally, no. There's not much reason for most villains to check this flop with any value hands, including sets, since I should be calling the flop pretty widely (lots of pairs and floats in my range, not cbetting burns money).
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07-19-2012, 06:19 PM
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old hand
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Liverpool
Posts: 1,581
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Re: 100NL - Cbet?
Quote:
Originally Posted by RAW_FORCE
just triple barrel every board until they adjust
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Even if both players call?
Can we expect most regs to fold out JJ/QQ by the river?
Should my image deter me from doing this? I'm a terrible spewtard.
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07-19-2012, 07:24 PM
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#12
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old hand
Join Date: May 2012
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Re: 100NL - Cbet?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deco354
Even if both players call?
Can we expect most regs to fold out JJ/QQ by the river?
Should my image deter me from doing this? I'm a terrible spewtard.
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Well, having a 100% flop, turn, and river CB is somewhat exploitable, but you'll have a sick red line.
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07-19-2012, 11:18 PM
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#13
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old hand
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: River Call Efficiency <0
Posts: 1,861
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Re: 100NL - Cbet?
Wicked redline is where it's at.
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07-20-2012, 02:46 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 20,565
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Re: 100NL - Cbet?
no to both
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07-20-2012, 03:00 AM
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centurion
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Chicago
Posts: 148
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Re: 100NL - Cbet?
hand 1 yes/maybe no based on reads.
hand 2 3b
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