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Old 04-25-2012, 06:53 AM   #1
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100NL bluff barrel or not?

    Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12729452

    UTG+2: $117.05 (117.1 bb)
    MP1: $107.60 (107.6 bb)
    MP2: $47.80 (47.8 bb)
    Hero (MP3): $108.02 (108 bb)
    CO: $109.08 (109.1 bb)
    BTN: $55.12 (55.1 bb)
    SB: $109.94 (109.9 bb)
    BB: $100 (100 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K A
    UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to $3, MP2 folds, Hero calls $3, 2 folds, SB calls $2.50, BB folds

    Flop: ($10) 6 3 8 (3 players)
    SB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $6.50, SB calls $6.50, MP1 folds

    Turn: ($23) 7 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $15, SB calls $15

    River: ($53) 3 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets 35$?



    PFR is 14/10
    SB is unknown running so far 15/10, fold to cb 25% (4 samples though).
    I think betting the turn was a bad idea since he has all the nuts in his range, don't remember why i did it, but once i've done that i should be barreling river again, no? I mean when he flats again his range is weighted towards marginal SDV which i can definetely make him fold by a 3rd barrel.
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    Old 04-25-2012, 07:48 AM   #2
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    Re: 100NL bluff barrel or not?

    3bet pre, check back flop, check back turn, check back river. Weird, i usually like at least one street of a hand....
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    Old 04-25-2012, 08:40 AM   #3
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    Re: 100NL bluff barrel or not?

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    3bet pre, check back flop, check back turn, check back river. Weird, i usually like at least one street of a hand....
    +1,
    i would barrel without FD otf prob
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    Old 04-25-2012, 03:11 PM   #4
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    Re: 100NL bluff barrel or not?

    Eh, pre is fine. In fact 3bing is likely bad. Flop is also fine. On the turn I'm usually giving up but if you want to do this, you need to be betting bigger. Otherwise he has too many hands that are just going to click call. Also, even if I was intending on following through on most rivers, I would give up on this one.
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    Old 04-25-2012, 03:23 PM   #5
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    Re: 100NL bluff barrel or not?

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    Eh, pre is fine. In fact 3bing is likely bad. Flop is also fine. On the turn I'm usually giving up but if you want to do this, you need to be betting bigger. Otherwise he has too many hands that are just going to click call. Also, even if I was intending on following through on most rivers, I would give up on this one.
    But on the other hand doesn't this river is a perfect one to fire the 3rd? Doesn't he raise all his value hands on any earlier street? I'm assigning him a range of smallish overpairs + some 87 and that's about it, all this stuff is folding to the third bet, no?
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    Old 04-25-2012, 03:37 PM   #6
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    Re: 100NL bluff barrel or not?

    pre def fine

    3bet pre real bad imo, specially when buttons got 55 american dollars and is either a plumply stacked 40bber who likes to exsquoze himself or a fish who u dont wanna 3bet and remove from hand

    flop n turn bets too small for those boards but alright to bet i think, i'd prolly just check back riv cause u beat majority of hands ur folding out anyways

    also 3 on the riv is a atrocious barrel card
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    Old 04-25-2012, 05:43 PM   #7
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    Re: 100NL bluff barrel or not?

    isnt turn the biggest mistake in hand?

    i always thought barreling these turns as bluff for a standard was big leak

    bah my grammar sucks =/ that sentence just doesnt sound right
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    Old 04-25-2012, 05:51 PM   #8
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    Re: 100NL bluff barrel or not?

    I kinda like the plan..but bet sizes are too small on all streets..but I might not follow through on this particular river card...we prob just get him to fold hands we beat (his busted FD) and hell click call with like 98s/99-JJ type hands. Seems spewy to try and bluff an "unknown reg" on this river card since we have no idea if he will just see that the river bricked and called, rather than thinking well the river bricked, and its a seemingly terrible bluff card, so your range seems stronger and maybe he should fold.
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    Old 04-25-2012, 05:56 PM   #9
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    Re: 100NL bluff barrel or not?

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    pre def fine

    3bet pre real bad imo, specially when buttons got 55 american dollars and is either a plumply stacked 40bber who likes to exsquoze himself or a fish who u dont wanna 3bet and remove from hand

    flop n turn bets too small for those boards but alright to bet i think, i'd prolly just check back riv cause u beat majority of hands ur folding out anyways

    also 3 on the riv is a atrocious barrel card
    yup. altho 3bet becomes reasonable as his ft3b approaches the 75ish percent range
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    Old 04-25-2012, 06:14 PM   #10
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    Re: 100NL bluff barrel or not?

    If you're going to bluff the river, I would bet enough to fold out 99. Villain folds very few hands to a $35 bet.

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    yup. altho 3bet becomes reasonable as his ft3b approaches the 75ish percent range
    If his ft3b is 75%, why 'waste' a hand like AK here? I'd much rather 3bet AK here if villain has a low ft3b.
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    Old 04-25-2012, 07:03 PM   #11
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    Re: 100NL bluff barrel or not?

    Yea sorry i didn't see position's properly when i first looked i think pre is a flat, but w/bd nfd and 2 overs i don't it's a spot to be going crazy 3 barreling.
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    Old 04-25-2012, 07:09 PM   #12
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    Re: 100NL bluff barrel or not?

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    If you're going to bluff the river, I would bet enough to fold out 99. Villain folds very few hands to a $35 bet.



    If his ft3b is 75%, why 'waste' a hand like AK here? I'd much rather 3bet AK here if villain has a low ft3b.
    i mean he still flats 25. its not like he's folding 90+ percent
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    Old 04-25-2012, 11:00 PM   #13
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    Re: 100NL bluff barrel or not?

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    Eh, pre is fine. In fact 3bing is likely bad. Flop is also fine. On the turn I'm usually giving up but if you want to do this, you need to be betting bigger. Otherwise he has too many hands that are just going to click call. Also, even if I was intending on following through on most rivers, I would give up on this one.
    agree with this. although i would definitely, not usually, give up ott.
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    Old 05-17-2012, 05:21 PM   #14
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    Re: 100NL bluff barrel or not?

    Frist you should think Why and what he's CC you with. and the answer -> some FD, but most of the time is gonna be a hand like 1010-AA that doesn't want to get raised on flop. so he's gonna call you down a lot.

    second, what do you rep when you bet ? you flat 33 there? so most likely 66 77 or 88 unless you turned something. So....... you make up your own mind on how you want to play this.

    me, I'd bet once give up. OR bet 3 streets and take a note on whatever he calls you with.
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    Old 05-17-2012, 05:21 PM   #15
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    Re: 100NL bluff barrel or not?

    3bet folding AK is kinda mehhh
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    Old 05-17-2012, 10:23 PM   #16
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    Re: 100NL bluff barrel or not?

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    3bet folding AK is kinda mehhh
    replace the word kinda
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    Old 05-20-2012, 04:30 AM   #17
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    Re: 100NL bluff barrel or not?

    3b'ing AK pre here is bad.

    I give up on turn, turn card improves his range a lot.
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