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Old 02-05-2012, 06:43 AM   #46
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If we do cold 4b pre I assume we are snapping a shove from the fish and folding to a shove from the Btn?

I much prefer the 4b tbh, I feel very awkward calling here.
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Old 02-07-2012, 03:48 PM   #47
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Re: 100NL annoying spot #2

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Old 02-07-2012, 03:56 PM   #48
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Re: 100NL annoying spot #2

For those advocating flatting pre here, what is our plan for rest of hand. I assume we can't strictly play fit or fold, what boards are we looking to c/r flop if we miss. Also, what would our line be in this hand if villain had cbet flop?
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Old 02-07-2012, 04:04 PM   #49
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Re: 100NL annoying spot #2

Fit or fold on flop is fine, as 3bettor will almost never make us fold the best hand. I.e. he wont try to bluff a fish AND a reg that just flatted his 3b cold. So when flop is checked through we will often have the best hand.

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Old 02-07-2012, 06:37 PM   #50
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If we do cold 4b pre I assume we are snapping a shove from the fish and folding to a shove from the Btn?

I much prefer the 4b tbh, I feel very awkward calling here.
Im confused, this should be the other way around imo. Snap folding to a jam from the fish and calling a shove from the reg
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Old 02-07-2012, 10:01 PM   #51
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Re: 100NL annoying spot #2

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Old 02-08-2012, 06:55 AM   #52
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Im confused, this should be the other way around imo. Snap folding to a jam from the fish and calling a shove from the reg
why?
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Old 02-08-2012, 07:14 AM   #53
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Fit or fold on flop is fine, as 3bettor will almost never make us fold the best hand. I.e. he wont try to bluff a fish AND a reg that just flatted his 3b cold. So when flop is checked through we will often have the best hand.

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Old 02-08-2012, 07:21 AM   #54
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can anyone think of any good reason to 4b pre?
Because you are the knight in shining armor riding to the rescue of the fish's stack by forcing him to fold to the reg's 3 bet followed by your 4 bet.

cold 4 betting is second best to calling because of this:

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Flatting pre is fine. You're doing ok vs the reg's range, and you've got huge implied odds vs the fish. Being OOP sucks but it doesn't matter too much when there's a 50/32 in the pot and you've got AQ.
Your IO aren't really huge if he's a 50bb stack, but they're pretty good. Like someone else said, over time, our profit in this situation should come from the fish, not the reg.
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Old 02-08-2012, 01:49 PM   #55
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Your IO aren't really huge if he's a 50bb stack, but they're pretty good. Like someone else said, over time, our profit in this situation should come from the fish, not the reg.
Totally missed the fact he's 50bb. That's made me like calling less and like raising more. I probably think either is fine now.

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This is horribly wrong, esp given the fish is 50bb. Cold-4betting and calling it off against a reg 3bettor with AQ is suicide against 99% of players at 100nl.
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Old 02-08-2012, 01:58 PM   #56
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Cold-4betting and calling it off against a reg 3bettor with AQ is suicide against 99% of players at 100nl.
Who is in the other 1%?
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There's one guy from Estonia that I could think of for a start....
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