100NL annoying spot #2 - Small Stakes Full Ring Games

tobe4funas · 02-03-2012, 04:35 AM

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11775522

MP2: $104 (104 bb)
MP3: $68.09 (68.1 bb)
CO: $100 (100 bb)
BTN: $100 (100 bb)
SB: $100 (100 bb)
Hero (BB): $111.32 (111.3 bb)
UTG+1: $125.61 (125.6 bb)
UTG+2: $100 (100 bb)
MP1: $52.96 (53 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q

A

2 folds, MP1 raises to $2, 3 folds, BTN raises to $7, SB folds, Hero calls $6, MP1 folds

Flop: ($16.50) 2

4

2

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($16.50) A

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $11, Hero calls $11

River: ($38.50) 5

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $29.41, Hero calls $29.41

OR big fish 50/32 so far.
3betor 18/13/5.9 with BTN 3b of 9.1. Flop cbet 50, turn 50, have no info about him in 3b pots. 200 hands sample only.
What to do in these spots pre?

Xela · 02-03-2012, 04:44 AM

Fold pre please

MaliceUW · 02-03-2012, 04:46 AM

you must be annoyed a lot

AnonyMouse1 · 02-03-2012, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MaliceUW

you must be annoyed a lot

Hehe, I laughed at this. Anyway, I'd fold it pre. AQo for that much isn't exactly a great idea, regardless of circumstance.

tobe4funas · 02-03-2012, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Xela

Fold pre please

why should I? He seems like he likes to 3b and he's reisolating fish so his range is super wide. Is expecting his 3b range to be something like ATs+ 99+ KQs+ unrealistic?

MaliceUW · 02-03-2012, 04:52 AM

I'd never fold pre

AnonyMouse1 · 02-03-2012, 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by tobe4funas

why should I? He seems like he likes to 3b and he's reisolating fish so his range is super wide. Is expecting his 3b range to be something like ATs+ 99+ KQs+ unrealistic?

No, but I'm still not sure I like the flatting.

isunkurbttlship · 02-03-2012, 08:14 AM

flatting pre is fine

PokerRon247 · 02-03-2012, 08:16 AM

Flatting pre is fine. You're doing ok vs the reg's range, and you've got huge implied odds vs the fish. Being OOP sucks but it doesn't matter too much when there's a 50/32 in the pot and you've got AQ.

tobe4funas · 02-03-2012, 08:31 AM

can anyone think of any good reason to 4b pre?

PokerRon247 · 02-03-2012, 08:41 AM

You win the pot a lot of the time and force the other players to fold their equity vs you. Taking down a $10.50 pot in this way isn't exactly terrible. Your value in the hand is coming from the whale though so that's why I prefer a call.

Xela · 02-03-2012, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by tobe4funas

why should I? He seems like he likes to 3b and he's reisolating fish so his range is super wide. Is expecting his 3b range to be something like ATs+ 99+ KQs+ unrealistic?

You realise that you are behind this range? You did not mention what you assume for his big offsuit ace hands, but if we assume AQo+, then we are 41% vs this range. In addition we are OOP, have the aggro-donk still to act (who might spazz over pre), we are not guaranteed to be in the pot with the fish (like here), we will miss the flop most of the time & are often dominated when we hit (like probably in this hand) and have hardly any chance to make a nutted hand. IMO fold > cold 4b > call

ROM Amnesty · 02-03-2012, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by tobe4funas

can anyone think of any good reason to 4b pre?

Yes. It stops you from calling pre.

tobe4funas · 02-03-2012, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ROM Amnesty

Yes. It stops you from calling pre.

You seem to have a problem with a lot of people here, dont you?

ROM Amnesty · 02-03-2012, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by tobe4funas

You seem to have a problem with a lot of people here, dont you?

Nope, quite the opposite. I do wind some people up though, and I'll pick on new posters, but it's all in the name of fun. Nothing serious, and nothing irrational.

Regarding my post above; I was making a serious point. I wasn't criticising your play (in case it upset you.) I think raising pre is better than calling, which is the worst option of your three choices.