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Old 02-07-2017, 04:59 PM   #1
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1/2: Why am I so poor at bluff catching?

2 hands... trying to bluff catch against absolute maniac whales (V1 and V2) willing to donate... who keep betting/raising/3betting ATC every hand

Hand 1: $400 eff

Hero opens $8 w/ QJs in HJ, V1 in CO calls, SB calls, V2 in BB 3bets to $24, Hero calls, V1 calls, SB calls

FLOP ($96): J54
SB checks, V2 checks, Hero checks, V1 checks

TURN ($96): 9
SB checks, V2 checks, Hero bets $48, V1 calls, SB folds, V2 folds

RIVER ($192): 5
Hero checks, V1 shoves $325, Hero calls and V1 shows 53

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Hand 2: $160 eff, this time vs the BB whale (V2) in previous hand who is raising $10 every hand with ATC and barrels a lot

V opens to $10 in HJ, Hero in CO 3bets AQ to $30, folds to V who calls

FLOP ($60): K93
V bets $10, Hero calls << because he never folds

TURN ($80): 6
V bets $20, Hero calls

RIVER ($120): 5
V shoves $100, Hero calls and V shows 87 for runner runner straight
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Old 02-07-2017, 06:00 PM   #2
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Re: 1/2: Why am I so poor at bluff catching?

Hand 1: With the only sane player in the hand having checked twice I think we can bet larger than half pot on the turn for value against the 2 maniacs with no fold button so I would've gone maybe $75-80. On the river you're genuinely unlucky as a lot of his range here is KQ, QT, 8T,67, heart draws without trip 5s and you just got to accept sometimes he does has the 5.

Hand 2: I'd either flat pre or make it bigger with intention to shove every flop. If we made it $50 then can just shove a pot size bet on any flop. As it has having $130 on a $60 pot makes it a bit awkward when we miss. As played fold river - AQ is barely even a call vs ATC on that runout and there has to be some chance hes giving up some bluffs.
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Old 02-08-2017, 09:09 PM   #3
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Re: 1/2: Why am I so poor at bluff catching?

h1 yeah i guess
h2 is this 2/5? not many bbs but idk if u can call river
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Old 02-09-2017, 02:41 PM   #4
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Re: 1/2: Why am I so poor at bluff catching?

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Hand 2: I'd either flat pre or make it bigger with intention to shove every flop.
With 3 players behind, are you really 3betting bigger? What if any of them come over the top?
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Old 02-10-2017, 04:58 AM   #5
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Re: 1/2: Why am I so poor at bluff catching?

You can fold you know.
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Old 02-10-2017, 04:42 PM   #6
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With 3 players behind, are you really 3betting bigger? What if any of them come over the top?
depends on reads and stack sizes, obviously.

yes, you should 3-bet bigger vs players who "never fold" when you have very good value hands vs their range(s).
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Old 04-03-2017, 04:56 PM   #7
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Re: 1/2: Why am I so poor at bluff catching?

Hand 1) Why would youcall that shove? You have top pair with an okay kicker. What do you possibly beat here except a busted flush draw, which is a TINY % of his range?

Hand 2) Raise the flop, mr. calling station
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Old 04-11-2017, 12:16 PM   #8
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Re: 1/2: Why am I so poor at bluff catching?

Well for starters, it looks like their sizing is a tell. Just because someone's playing a lot of hands does not mean they're always bluffing. In this case, it looks like big bet=big hand.

Are they all actually maniacs? If I knew that I could get you to consistently pay off a 150bb 2x pot river shove with TPMK, I'd certainly play looser.
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Old 05-14-2017, 03:18 PM   #9
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Re: 1/2: Why am I so poor at bluff catching?

IMO AQo isnt strong enough to continue after the turn, let alone the flop for hand 2. I want to attack villain with a strong hand

For hand 1 I think we should bet the flop. Unlucky in the end.
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Old 05-16-2017, 02:20 PM   #10
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Re: 1/2: Why am I so poor at bluff catching?

Hand 1) Bet flop. River is an easy fold. We don't beat much

Hand 2) Raise flop and continue on club turns. I doubt we ever get called when we raise to $50 on the flop based on his bet size. We obv fold if we are raised otf.
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