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Old 03-13-2009, 04:26 PM   #1
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Wrist turn over/distance

Hey i have been having trouble with my wrist turn over and always seem to not turn my wrist over enough resulting in alittle fade. I am trying to be able to hit a st8 shot or even alittle draw would not be to bad. Any drill tips to help with wrist turn over?


Another thing i have been working on is distance. I have been lifting for really the first time in my life for the first time hoping it would increase my distance but it is not doing much at all. I probley hit the ball 1.5clubs less then the average person my age. I am pretty strong so i dont really think thats exactly what it is, i am 5'8 and is there any help on getting alittle more distance on my shots? Also, if i need to give anymore info plz just say so.


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Old 03-13-2009, 04:40 PM   #2
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Re: Wrist turn over/distance

There are other things going on in your swing that are much bigger problems than turning over your wrists.

Not releasing the club properly is generally the effect in a cause/effect relationship
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Old 03-13-2009, 04:48 PM   #3
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Re: Wrist turn over/distance

Okay, i was thinking if it was probley not the wrist turn over then it might be my swing plane. its just annoying because i have gotten a few lessons and no one can really figure out why i always have this little fade and why i hit the ball so short.

Edit - but if its not really the wrist turn over then i dont have any really good ideas why there is this fade and what not.
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Old 03-13-2009, 07:10 PM   #4
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Re: Wrist turn over/distance

i feel the same way too..... feel like i should hit the ball further. of course, i've checked my swing speed and it's not that great (89-92). part of the problem may be that myself and many people think 100 mph is really common when it probably isn't. i feel like i personally need to lose weight so i can get a faster hip turn.

i have had some good success with flattening swing plane, strengthening grip some and keeping wrist flat at impact and somewhat at top (i realize strong grip and flat wrist at top don't match, but my grip was pretty weak)..... if i strengthen grip, i hit ball alot further but misses can be really bad and most shots are misses.

a few random thoughts,

anyway, watching haney/barkley is interesting. do you see how flat a swing plane he has charles practically at with that 10 foot stick?

i took lessons from a recent nationwide guy and he was just obsessed with flat swing plane, almost to the exclusion of anything else.

was at L.A. open and the big thing i noticed was very flat swing plane and most of them did these mini-backswings where they set their wrists and then look at them. i'd say almost every big hitter did it. basically, make sure you really set those wrists... best set of lessons i ever had (20 years ago) was almost exclusively focussed on setting wrists but then i went away from the guy for numerous reasons.

and last suggestion is go to a golf store or stand-alone simulator. the one near my house pegged my driver swing the same every time (5-iron was all over the place swing wise probably because i was hitting off the mat)

one question:

how do portly guys hit the ball a long way? i am thinking that OP is on to something and that portly guys are putting alot of wrist action into long drives.
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Old 03-14-2009, 01:31 AM   #5
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Re: Wrist turn over/distance

Ugh. Let me get a couple of things out of my hair before I am actually nice and helpful. Golfers have no idea what the webisms st8 and probley mean. Why type probley? It's only one less letter and looks really odd. For example, if you improve your technique, you will probably hit the ball straight.

OK, on to helpful stuff. You never want to think about your release. It's called a release, not a wrist turnover. Wrist turnover sounds like some sort of cannibal dessert. And your release is predicated on proper positioning before impact. It's kind of like the dog wagging the tail, not the tail wagging the dog.

If your positioning is good through the downswing, you will naturally release the club through impact and hit a powerful shot. If not, you will not release the club naturally and your shots will be weak.

My guess is that you're actually casting the club from the top, in essence releasing way too early and when you reach the ball you have spent your energy. From the top, the first move should be to drop your right elbow straight down into your hip. That helps set the club properly to prepare for a powerful release.

There are plenty of more possibilities of course, but it's difficult to diagnose without seeing the swing. For what it's worth, if the people you've taken lessons from really don't have a clue as to why you aren't getting distance and why you tend to fade the ball, then they aren't worth the money you're paying them. After seeing a swing, those two aspects are not difficult to find the reasons why.

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Old 03-16-2009, 09:26 PM   #6
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Re: Wrist turn over/distance

Okay thanks for all of the help. I am going to the driving range next weekend and will try some stuff out. Another thing i have been wondering for a while is how the pros create so much spin. Do they have a steeper swing plane or play the ball farther back in your stance? I am looking to be able to spin chips and longer shots. and thanks again.

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Old 03-17-2009, 12:36 AM   #7
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They have brand new clubs, perfectly clean golf balls, play on ridiculously awesome courses and they have excellent technique.

Hitting the ball solid will make your shots spin plenty. Don't worry about it too much because any time I have tried to make spin a focus it just makes me suck.
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Old 03-17-2009, 01:16 AM   #8
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Re: Wrist turn over/distance

There has to be some Craig Parry type stuff going on here. Also, the release should be natural and not something that you're actively trying to do through impact.
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Old 03-17-2009, 09:26 AM   #9
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Setup slightly closed stance, this will promote a draw.

As well as lowering your right elbow at address (if you are right handed), just drop the right elbow down like 1/2 inch
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Old 03-17-2009, 12:36 PM   #10
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Okay thanks for all of the help. I am going to the driving range next weekend and will try some stuff out. Another thing i have been wondering for a while is how the pros create so much spin. Do they have a steeper swing plane or play the ball farther back in your stance? I am looking to be able to spin chips and longer shots. and thanks again.

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You almost never want to try and spin a chip shot. The idea of a chip shot is to get the ball on the ground as soon as possible and have it roll towards the hole like a putt.

The easiest way to put more spin on the ball is through increased clubhead speed. Striking the ball correct with the proper angle of attack is helpful as well. But spin is not something you want to actively think about. Just know what your ball tends to do and go with it.

In short, stop thinking so much about facets of the game that mean next to nothing. Just get the ball in the hole in the fewest strokes possible, after all, that's the object of the game.

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Old 03-17-2009, 05:09 PM   #11
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Re: Wrist turn over/distance

funny, I haven't taught in a while, but you have like all the preconceived notions of my former students
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Old 03-17-2009, 07:25 PM   #12
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Bulldog,

The thing is if and when you one day get it - you will look back at all of this and laugh. The golf swing is not something that comes naturally. Perception is reality. You must videotape yourself. Seeing what your swing looks like will open your eyes.

This comes from a 6 handicap, formerly giant over the top slicer who hit a 3-wood from 155 yards.

I am not drunk, but very loopy right now. Must be the allergy meds.
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