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09-01-2014 , 01:57 PM
I've been using NXT's http://strokesgainedcalc.com/ to keep track of my last 10 rounds and I wanted to share the results so far and get some input on improvement strategies.









8 of the 10 rounds in this sample are on a course where you can basically spray the driver and thus my -3.52 tee shots results are likely not totally representative of my ability off the tee. For instance, in my last round I hit 4 drives that would be OB/lost on many courses and I scored +1 on those 4 holes.

The large numbers represent a per round stat and the smaller two numbers under the last 3 images represent sample size and a per shot stat.

The recovery is a sample of 30 and pretty skewed as I've hit it inside 10 feet a couple times from ridiculous spots and recovery is not very difficult on the main course.

My current index is 3.7 and I'm averaging around 78-79.

Further breakdown of distances:


Obviously tee shots and approach are accounting for the vast majority of my strokes lost, but I was curious if anyone had any thoughts on how to best structure my practice based on this info.
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09-01-2014 , 08:58 PM
I can't see the images.
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09-01-2014 , 09:11 PM
Oops sorry. Will repost tomorrow morning. Mods please delete
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09-02-2014 , 11:25 AM
Here is the correct OP with images (hopefully).

I've been using NXT's http://strokesgainedcalc.com/ to keep track of my last 10 rounds and I wanted to share the results so far and get some input on improvement strategies.









8 of the 10 rounds in this sample are on a course where you can basically spray the driver and thus my -3.52 tee shots results are likely not totally representative of my ability off the tee. For instance, in my last round I hit 4 drives that would be OB/lost on many courses and I scored +1 on those 4 holes.

The large numbers represent a per round stat and the smaller two numbers under the last 3 images represent sample size and a per shot stat.

The recovery is a sample of 30 and pretty skewed as I've hit it inside 10 feet a couple times from ridiculous spots and recovery is not very difficult on the main course.

My current index is 3.7 and I'm averaging around 78-79.

Further breakdown of distances:



Obviously tee shots and approach are accounting for the vast majority of my strokes lost, but I was curious if anyone had any thoughts on how to best structure my practice based on this info.
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09-02-2014 , 01:53 PM
I would find a good pro and take some full swing lessons. Your short game and putting seem very good.

I made my own spreadsheet and here's how my stats break down over the my last 15 round or so:

TOTAL: -4.77
drives, -1.01 (21%)
other, -.45 (9%)
approach, -1.28 (27%)
short game, -.19 (4%)
putting, -1.84 (39%)

Putting ranges:
under 5, -.129 (3.1 attempts per round)
5 to 15, -1.10 (6.9 attempts per round)
16 to 25, -.258 (3.1 attempts per round)
over 25, -.354 (4.9 attempts per round)

The mid range putts are what are killing me. I think this is an green reading and possibly alignment issue. Usually I hit putts solid and on the line I intend so I make a lot of short ones and can 2 putt from longer range. But in the middle I suck.
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09-02-2014 , 04:12 PM
Nice thread. I can post some of my numbers later

Camp, -4.77 SG is pretty good, congrats.
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09-02-2014 , 04:50 PM
Camp, I can see your last post in the handicap thread has you as a 1.6 from 2 years ago. What are you currently? No chance a 1.6 only loses 4.77 strokes.
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09-02-2014 , 04:58 PM
Agree with Ship on handicap vs SG. Also, only losing 1.28 shots on approach shots is pretty damn good.
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09-02-2014 , 05:15 PM
This is great...I played around with the calculator with my last few rounds. Is there a way to aggregate my data inside the calculator or do I have to average it in a separate spreadsheet?
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09-02-2014 , 05:45 PM
There is unfortunately not a way for the website to save your data(aka aggregate it automatically). You just have to store your #s on your own spreadsheet.

Would have to create an entire web app for that sort of functionality.
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09-02-2014 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ship---this
Camp, I can see your last post in the handicap thread has you as a 1.6 from 2 years ago. What are you currently? No chance a 1.6 only loses 4.77 strokes.
I'm currently at 1.1. The 4.77 average goes back over my last 18 rounds where my stroke average was 75.8.

I play in Colorado so the courses are effectively shorter than the scorecard yardage. The tour data that the Broadie charts are based off of are played mostly around sea level so maybe that skews things?
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09-02-2014 , 10:26 PM
What is the course rating of the courses you play? Also what is the distance multiplier in Colorado? 10%? That is pretty significant in SG terms.

If you average basically 76, to be a 1 handicap the course rating must be between 72 and 74(bc most average scores are 2-4 shots above your handicap).
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09-02-2014 , 10:34 PM
My home course is rated 73.5 / 7289 yards, and I have some rounds mixed in on courses that are rated a little lower, so that sounds about right.

IIRC Stads said the difference for Denver is ~7-8% so that definitely makes a difference.
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09-02-2014 , 10:56 PM
Here are my last 10 rounds. With SG each round listed, running SG/rd, and Potential SG(calculated roughly the same way your handicap is calculated, best 10 of last 20)



And Averages, driving the ball clearly being the strength of my game.



My home course is a 74.9 rating 149 slope.

Last edited by NxtWrldChamp; 09-02-2014 at 11:03 PM.
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09-03-2014 , 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by campfirewest
My home course is rated 73.5 / 7289 yards, and I have some rounds mixed in on courses that are rated a little lower, so that sounds about right.

IIRC Stads said the difference for Denver is ~7-8% so that definitely makes a difference.
Yea I went back to my last round and adjusted all of the full shots down to 93% of their initial distance to account for elevation change.

Went from gaining 1.83 shots to gaining .25 shots with only Tee Shots and Approach shots changing.

My Round-
Tee Shots- 1.21
Approach Shots- (1.8)

With elevation factored in
Tee Shots- .37
Approach- (2.56)

So your elevation seems to be worth a little more than 1.5 shots/round.
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09-03-2014 , 09:57 AM
As for practice, jk3a, for the near future I would dedicate nearly 100% of practice time to tee shots and shots >150 yards.

A mix of technical work, creating proper movement patterns, and hitting realistic shots.

Try to make it as "courselike" as possible. Pick a target and hit a tee shot, then pick a target and hit an approach shot. Rinse and repeat.
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09-12-2014 , 01:14 PM
I got the broadie book yesterday and started it. So fascinating.
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09-12-2014 , 01:57 PM
op, thanks for introducing me to that fantastic (and free, it seems) site

it is pretty time consuming though putting in all the data....

i sort of aggregate the stuff myself with a system that is constantly evolving. works out for me i think but i do like the standardization of that site.

here's what i came up with on my last round (compared to say +3 score. i usually give myself +.5 in scoring system for a bogey on tough hole)

driving +2
irons +2
wedges +4 (yikes)
chipping +2
putting +2.5

somewhere i'm missing a stroke of costly shots. but that's generally right.
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09-12-2014 , 02:21 PM
is it feet or yards on the green?.... i 2 putted from 5 yards and it says pro does it in 1.26 strokes. sounds very very low..... is the 5 yards or feet?
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09-12-2014 , 02:42 PM
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is it feet or yards on the green?.... i 2 putted from 5 yards and it says pro does it in 1.26 strokes. sounds very very low..... is the 5 yards or feet?
Distances on the green should me entered in feet.
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09-12-2014 , 11:22 PM
Just watching the Tour Champ coverage from today on my DVR and noticed they were showing "strokes gained tee to green". Its nice to see this stuff catching on.
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09-12-2014 , 11:37 PM
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Just watching the Tour Champ coverage from today on my DVR and noticed they were showing "strokes gained tee to green". Its nice to see this stuff catching on.
Its incredible how long it took them to roll out this statistic as literall they are only doing

Field average score for the day
Minus Players Score for the day
Minus Players strokes gained putting

Basically they could have been doing this ever since sgp came out. Its really not that great as it bunches to many aspects of the game together but a good step in the right direction.
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09-13-2014 , 01:08 AM
They have all the Shotlink data, it's wouldn't be that hard for them to generate whatever SG related stats they want very quickly. They probably haven't rolled out more stats sooner because the vast majority of viewers would be really confused.
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