Never said it was a lock, but it's definitely a good possibility. Most of the greatest players had a second wind in the late stages of their career. The most wins overall is a lock. 10 wins in the rest of his career? Unless he gets majorly injured that will fall. Of course, he could go to 120 wins and 17 majors and you'll still be 'nuh uh, not most majors, not best of all time'. haha.

Vegas had him at 4/1. Meaning they think it's neutralish ev for him to win 20% of the time. I would guess however that the bookies think his theoretical win % is less than 20 and they can make some significant ev on Tiger.

I'm not sure exactly who "you guys" refers to, but come on. Even the "huge" favorite is an actual giant underdog to win.

Ya nobody wins majors in their 40s. That's for sure. Especially players who have 10+ already.

I've already argued here before that Tiger is the greatest golfer ever. Whether he finishes with the greatest career ever is still unknown. 4 yrs ago it looked like a certainty, but today it is far from certain (and it will be stained either way).

Well the other 2 trolls argue he isn't, which isn't based in reality. You can show them stats and they say 'nope, not true', which just proves they are trolls or just incredibly ignorant (probably both). Whether you like him or not, if you deny he's the greatest in the modern era (difficult to compare eras) and changed the game of golf you're just putting your fingers in your ears and saying 'lalalalalalala'.

im sorry his record is not better than jack in majors. are you saying jack is not modern era?

isnt modern era post advent of the masters?

the only stat in a single golf turny that matters is score. i dont give a crap about all the strokes gained this and that or how good somebody hits it tee to green it just matters score.

and when it comes to greatest its about majors. im pretty sure tiger has stated its only about majors nothing else.

Sorry, but no it's not ALL about majors if you are considering the GOAT... Obv that is what Tiger is after and what is most important to him, but you can't only use them for obv reasons... and you use the major argument like it isn't on Tiger's side. He Has won 14 of them... I'm sure if he is off pace with Nicklaus on majors per time of age or amount played, that it's not by much. Then when you consider the U.S. Am "majors" he is def right there.

I mean...ok if Tiger Died or retired today...you can use the less majors argument and let the GOAT argument stay up in the air. But do you really not think if we were to run his career out from right now say 100 times. That he's not going to be considered the GOAT when all said and done a huge % of the time? I don't think he is a lock to pass Jack in majors tho, but he will def be in contention enough times and players will need to play well to beat him and keep him short.

Why do you keep saying he is an avg golfer right now? HE is not even close to avg. even if you totally disregard past performaces. Also I love how you leave out other events he played immaculate at over the last 6 months too such as the Presidents Cup where he clinched it. Those events where you play for your country are often just as pressurized and as important as majors to some people.

he is an average tour player right now. 1 win in 3 yrs vs a weak field. thats average.

i have told this itf many times not only jacks 18 wins but 19 seconds and 9 thirds which tiger isnt close to.

also i look at who they finish 2nd to and sorry but beating watson palmer player and trevino is a helluva lot harder than rich beam trevor immelmen etc.

everyone of tigers runner ups where to nobodys. where most of jacks were to ledgends.

also tiger has never gone out from behind and won a major. and if he ever does i highly doubt it will be without somebody blowing up.

there are lots and lots of legit reasons why he is not no1

sorry english thats what this thread is about.

I for one am shocked to find out there are only about 15-20 professional golfers in the world. That's what it has to be for the 7th ranked player in the world to be average... Right?

NxtWrldChamp running away with the smart-ass argument, naise

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You can't just choose 3 years to base it off of because of his struggles from swing changes and injury during that time. Do you admit that the last 6 months he has been anything but average? If you are going to go 3 years back why not go 5 or 6? Ohh... think I may know why you don't want to include those years...

Not every one of Jacks major wins was a ****ing come from behind victory to beat Watson or Palmer with a birdie on 18 I mean wtf? If you want to try and compare different eras that is fine, but you can't use this as your main point in an argument. It doesn't matter if Tiger lost to Rich Beem instead of Gary Player. Because during that week...Rich Beem happened to play better than Player or any other great golfer normally does. Do you not understand that?

When Tiger or anyone wins a major... they aren't just beating the person who got 2nd who may be a non household name. He is beating the entire field. The fields are wayyy deeper and better than they were back then. It would be way more impressive than Jack's if Tiger had that many 2nd and 3rds when his career is over.

Also tilting to compare trevino, player etc. to being tougher opponents than great players from this era that Tiger has beaten such as Phil, Vijay, Els, and other even non major or 1 major winners. Some of these players careers aren't over. When they are done they could likely be much more impressive when comparing them to those greats that don't even play anymore. Not even mentioning alot of it just shows how Dominant Tiger was. A lot of these guys may have had top 10 & 15 player ever resumes if it wasnt for Tiger.

I just recently discovered this golf forum so excuse my naivete. But is leoslayr's handicap public knowledge?

yeah, mental.

@nihan no its not. i just said i quit playing. i had 1 day where i could have beat anybody on the planet that day.

i have played in some usga qualifiers my last one being my best shot but had to withdraw due to injury 30 days earlier in a practice round for another event. i at least looked pretty off the 1st in front of the gallery.

@holdem see you cant say tiger has beaten anybody because the so called great players of his era often didnt show up at all in the majors he was playing. just go look at who came in second to tiger vs jack go look at who jack and tiger finished second to

Just my opinion. I was wrong about him winning again. May be wrong about him not winning a Major. Also many players that have won in their 40's have not had all the surgeries and taken the punishment on their bodies that Tiger has

Jack will be the greatest and Tiger will be the second greatest unless he wins 4 more majors.

so you were a scratch player?

When is Tigers next tournament

no a 1.3 index. i sucked, thats why i stopped playing.

Quail Hollow at the end of April most likely

Question does the PGA release data about fines? With Tigers club kicking and destruction of the one tee boxes I am curious.

Also i am curious how folks feel about were Tiger's game is? Was the Masters a big setback or just a blip in the radar? Also I think he needs to play more myself.

The ratings for the Master's were not great and we all know this was tied into no Tiger on the leaderboard.