Can't we just say "These guys are good." and shut up and watch?

Thank you. But it sux to know that with a little more heart, with a little more fight in my dog, I could have over 14 majors.

Amen brother.

well from a distance all the time off vs his poor performance over his career.

and his 38b chest could lead somebody that conclusion.

Sorry -not dodging this question, just got involved with some other spirited debates!

I'll see if I can pull some of the stuff off the thread, it's probably not the same thread you saw, as this was on a private PGA instructor thread (not saying it couldn't be, but my guess is no) - if it was, I don't know you'd say that about BC.

As for now, I'm settling in with a glass of wine and going to step away from whether Tiger is the 2nd coming, whether BC is an idiot, or who the bachelor will pick tonight. Good stuff on here today - I enjoyed participating & reading it.

have a great evening.

Just think what a loser Scott Verplank is.... he hasn't done 1/3 what Phil has.

Marginally better, but still not on the approved list. Not as egregious as "silly season," but does earn you a scornful lol because you apparently don't realize there isn't truly an off-season.

You are allowed to mention that it is not an official event, but only if you simultaneously point out that first prize is $1.2M, that 18 of the very best of the best are there and a ton of OWGR points are available.

You have to be careful with the Chevron World Challenge Cup Championship of Sherwood.

Exactly "from a distance" - and poor performance over his career? Sorry, I don't know you, but his career in golf beats the heck out of anyone on here!

38b chest - you're the same guy that said Trevino was one of the top 3 all-time right? Ever met him? Guess he was really lazy!

Too funny!! Phil has so much freaking talent it's actually scary - anyone who has ever played with him or around him will attest to that - I know his talent scared the crap out of me as a junior and in college. Call him lazy if you want - I know better.

jt i dont know your exact background. when i make these statements you have to understand i am not applying them to every tour player.

i just think personally that amongst the top 10 or 20 players on the planet that physical skill does not separate them as much as mental does.

i think phil has the talent to have won at least 10 majors. monty should have 2 or 3. lots of guys but they didnt get it done.

Sorry, I don't know you, but his career in golf beats the heck out of anyone on here!

again i have to stress not versus even regular tour players but compared to the greats of all time. he should have double digit majors.

Drinking wine while watching NASCAR is pretty unusual...

but mental is a skill, and as you state it is THE only separator that makes somebody THE best. It is unquantifiable, it is unknown, it cant be taught, it is what makes Tiger Tiger and Jack Jack. We can't agree who is GOAT and we sure can't even argue who has the best mental game ever.....I have spent the better part of 5 years studying the mental game exclusively and can't even tell you what makes them tick. I truly think I could write probably the best mental game book ever from my life and experience in the game...but reading it would help a good player be better but there is no way to teach greatness. You have it or you don't.

As for Monty....he should have 5+ majors, he didn't miss a single FW for the better part of a decade. But he truly is soft, whatever that means.

ok ship i hear your point. maybe i have unrealistic expectations from my background. football (including when they said water is for pussies and wouldnt let you drink during summer) and also a military background.

you can instill mental toughness on people in football and the miitary. why do you think its not possible in golf? this is an honest question. i am truly enjoying the discussion as i am getting info from a players perspective.

im also probably doing a bad job of putting this on paper.

Lindy Miller.

I'm not that familiar with Bryce's NCAA numbers but Lindy put up numbers that weren't even sniffed for a ton of years.

BO

Leo, I actually agree with you on being able to instill mental toughness. You can make someone tougher mentally, no doubt. You can't make them the GOAT mentally however, though you can definitely improve their golf game. But also agree with Ship in that it is a skill and that is why teaching it isn't enough.

You can instill mental toughness into a golfer, but you are talking about instilling the greatest mental toughness of all time into all players. By definition only one person can be the most mentally tough of all time. What Tiger is capable of vs what Kuchar is capable of is not the same. You can't just try harder and make it work. I completely understand what to think and when to think it...but putting it in practice in the heat of the battle is another skill that I suck at. I truly believe that if I could just caddy for myself I would be a solid Tour player. I do a great job of staying positive and thinking clear when I am looping for friends, but do not do the same job for myself when playing.

And Spenda on the bag is like having...well, you get what I mean.

Actually, I give Spenda a hard time but he is a great looper. Sure he falls down on the first hole of a 36 hole day, but he shakes it off and gets his work done.

leo is a troll.

shemp is snarky realtalk from somebody not drankin on the Tigerade

Another point and I think a huge one most can't grasp is that concentrating and the mental game isn't just a switch you can flip. I didn't start playing golf until relatively late (for aspiring professionals). I really only played 2.5 years in college, if that, due to hating my coach a blowing out my ankle playing basketball. So I really didn't and don't have that much tournament experience, again, relative to the competition. So for me to just know how and what to think at the right time is hard. It's like a foreign language, the earlier you learn the easier it is and more second nature it is.

Tiger was groomed from birth to be the greatest player of all time and the stars aligned on the right guy with the physical skills to deliver. I have seen many times the same thing attempted on other kids and most of those wound up dysfunctional and drunk. You hear stories of Earl and Tiger as a kid, well I got to see it first hand and the story's don't do it justice how military Tiger was raised to be the greatest ever. That is not something Kuchar, Mickelson, Scott, or anyone had from the age of 1. You can't make up for that nd you can't just flip a switch and "try harder" be a warrior and go for the throat. Tiger truly is an assassin as you say on the golf course. In his prime I truly think he wanted to kill his opponents and slaughter their first born, it really was how he was raised.

spenda is a pro jock!

yes we agree that somebody has to be the toughest. and my whole argument is that i just dont think a lot of these guys currently are not as tough as they could be. it is not quantifiable i agree.

i can agree with all of that ship. i also think guys miss that point. i forget who used the term enemy this past weekend but he got a little flack.

well its the right term. you have no friends out there till the round is over. you have no friends on the practice field in other sports untill you get back in the locker room.

Maybe the "gentlemen's game" and groomed-humility take a lot of the killer edge from many of the game's players growing up. Maybe they only start to ingrain (sp?) it after adolescence and then it's a matter of trying to change one's psychological mindset as an adult, which is pretty much impossible. Tiger was told he was the best and to kill everyone since he was like, two.

I'm definitely NOT saying that top golfers aren't competitive and that they don't want to kick the **** out of each other on the course, but maybe if golfers were taught No Mercy, Cobra-Kai style (because mercy is for the weak), we'd see the top level elevated just that much more...?


*edit* ****, I totally did not read Ship's post and see he posted pretty much this same thing. Sorry.

Nice try, but nowhere near Bryce's numbers for a year or career. There are crazy stories regarding Bryce his senior year (best ever for a college player) - in the month of October he made 4 bogies, high round of 69 (played 30 of 31 days), and has a disability - no left pectoral muscle, smaller left hand, and webbed fingers. His scoring average his senior year is the lowest in NCAA history as is his career scoring average - I'm sure a quick google search would show that (sorry, Bo, couldn't resist). I'm a little biased because Bryce & I are friends and he played at GA Tech (my course is their home course, so I see them daily), but the point is that although he was a "can't miss" coming out of college, and, according to the numbers, the best ever, almost no one knows who he is or his background.

Apparently, though he doesn't have the heart to be a great player - at least according to this thread.

Ha!! Actually Cops, and Eastbound & Down (again). Then maybe Storage Wars to see the hottie ex-stripper.

I like doc better when he's drinking. He fits the internet better.

Or maybe he's finally getting settled in!

3 wins, 69.43 stroke average which included an 82. G-Tech's website didn't have win numbers for his other years.

3 wins is sweet for sure, but I'm not sure it would qualify as best year ever. And please note I'm not ragging on Bryce, just debating your stance with a player from a different era. Wow, what are the odds I'd being doing that?

BO