and +1

Every one says well he never got huge. Though many athletes have used PED's for injury recovery as they speed the process. Also performance enhancing drugs dont just make you huge. Than according to that argument many sports like track and hockey are 100% clean.

The argument that I only care about his performance on the golf course may apply to many it doesn't for me. I look at him off the course also as he has used his image to earn the countless sponsorship agreements.

Though to fair I have never met the man off the course and do not hate him. I dislike him but very few people I hate.

Though If I am one end of the spectrum you are on the other extreme side Also a true hater would hope he tore his achiles and never played again. Personally I hope he never wins again though I want him to compete.

Has it ever been pointed out that PEDs weren't illegal until 2009.

Kidding....I'm not that big of a fanboy. But it was really awesome for me, a T user to have 2009 be the year they start testing. ****.

man even 1990 thinks this thread's PED knowledge is ignorant

I did not know that. Than if he had he had not broken the rules. Than I would be wrong that he cheated at the game of golf.

They weren't illegal, but I can assure you I was kidding. IF he did use PEDs he definitely cheated the game...but as noted earlier, he didn't use 'em

In your opinion he didn't use them. If they were not illegal to use how could he have cheated the game? If he finds a better ball or Driver that is allowed that is OK.

If someday creatine is found to be harmful and is made illegal do you retroactively consider everyone who used it in the past cheaters?

maybe not on tour but they have been illegal in the united states for years.

even with a dr's prescription you better have a valid confirmed condition not to get in trouble for it.

i know you are kidding but some people may not know.

The US does not have a law that outlaws "PEDs" in general. Certain compounds that are PEDs are controlled substances and illegal to possess without prescription but others are not (or not yet) illegal for various reasons.

the majority are controlled substances.

and to answer other posters questions. if tiger has been taking something all along that was legal and available at gnc and if that substance became illegal/controlled later then i would have no issue with him for this.

To me, and I guarantee you all professional athletes there is an unwritten rule that you don't use PEDs and if you do you have cheated the game....whatever game. In before somebody says "but tons of guys use them". Much like tons of people murder, that doesn't make it ok. If you had a non-blind survey of all professional athletes with one question of "is the use of PEDs cheating your game?" the response would be 100% yes.

right ship peds are cheating. supplements are not. anybody that uses a legal over the counter supplement i dont have an issue with.

andro became off limits because it could be used to mask tests but before that you could get it at gnc.

FWIW Tiger was perhaps the strongest supporter of getting the PGA's PED rules added

that doesnt mean a whole lot schu.

he could have thought well i can lobby for it and look like a good guy they wont ever do it. if they do go thru with it i can clean up.

or he could have thought i have the best steroid doc around and he can keep me from testing positive. also not sure if there is a hgh test yet.

again im not saying he did anything but just showing how him asking for it means nothing.

Orrr... HE NEVER TOOK THEM. and No, this is not just a random opinion. this is based off of historical data from users and the effects they have, and multiple other reasons added that make this quite obv.

Also, cool you think Tiger is a POS cuz he cheated on his wife. Quit ****ing judging people when you haven't been in their shoes and never will be. Yes we know it is wrong to cheat. Do you know how many people cheat? Do you know how many people cheat that have his wealth and status in this world? Is it simply because they are all the scum of the earth? Do you really think he did this to hurt his family and others? Do you have a clue about his life and the differences he deals with that we don't? He didn't have a normal childhood or young adult life running around partying and slaying women like most do. Have you done even 5% of the good he has done and contributed to not just golf but the world and life? You truly don't think he is sincere and apologetic when saying he's sorry and wishes he never hurt the people he did? Does he not deserve any forgivness what so ever?

But he made millions off everyone and sold a fake image being a good guy and is really a POS. GTFO of here...

Cheating by satisfying natural urges when you have the ability at the snap of a finger doesn't = would cheat the game of golf. The guy has never needed any edge, he was winning his entire life with hard work and love for the game. He HAS set a great example of character in other ways, and it wasn't a show or fraud he was putting on. His parents instilled a lot of good in him and he does have a lot of good moral character qualities. Just so happens that being faithful wasn't one that Earl was too good at either.


IF YOU ARE THAT CLUELESS JUST STOP. We have ppl not knowing the difference between push/pull draw/fade that are so sure they know it all, but can't digest that there is a reason the ppl with a clue all have different beliefs.

and Leo....lol where to begin. just browsing through threads in this forum and having to read one clueless post after another is so tilting. I think I speak for many posters and lurkers, just tone it back a weeee bit. Really try and take deep breaths and process the information you have typed up and really think before clicking submit.

BTW, I don't hate you clueless Tiger hater members as much as my post leads to believe. But I'm trying my best to get through to you all, even though my instinct tells me it's a super long shot.

GL man. I started this early January but have had a few weeks of slacking up until now during travel. I thought I was still in good shape until I started Insanity. Most of the warmups are a decent grind themselves, but I def improved as the program went along. Hadn't done any type of squat workouts in forever and my quadriceps got completely owned by some of the exercises. No doubt you will be in great shape if you finish the program.

Just got up at 5:45 for day 4....can't move my calves, but it's just about "go time". This should be fun.

This whole PED/HGH argument is pointless.

Let's get back to actual golf. So I have a Mac that I run Windows on almost exclusively, but I can switch back and forth between Mac and Windows. So yesterday I switched it over to the Mac side for the first time in a really long time. The desktop image? Tiger watching the winning putt fall into the cup the last time he won at Bay Hill.

Coincidence? I don't think so

Nice! Agree, all we have is opinion and until there is hard evidence neither side is budging so **** it.

No we only have one of those and equating that to another subject....
Though there was a time I never believed Lance cheated and know...

I agree though back to the golf. Bayhill and the Masters on the horizon could not be better. Not sure why guys play in the Tavisstock Cup and why it is so important to them

Wow and three weeks away from the Masters and I saw Mike Weir on TSN Coincidence? I dont think so

Does Bay Hill still award the big sword to the winner?

[x] best trophy in golf

FYP

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...QEwAA&dur=1198

I tend to think this may be the most coveted

wait i believe this is the thread where we can talk about anything we want in regards to tiger?

the golf mostly belongs in the tour thread correct?

and holdem maybe you should go back and reread peoples posts itt. it is not just because tiger cheated on his wife that people think he is a pos. there are lots of reasons.

and guess what? just because i think he is a pos does not change my view of his golf hes the 2nd greatest of all time. right now he is not very good. i dont see anything non factual there.