someone plz pm me when they find a pirated pdf of this book, k thx.

enough of the steroid BS. if he was on any of that and obsessed and worked out as hard and as much as he does (even more than most probly originally thought it seems), his body would of been much more absurd. anyone with a clue or history of using/knowing users would agree he doesn't and never did resemble someone who used steroids.

Ohhhh you think he took something for recovery. cool story...

and all you Tiger haters...it could come out tomorrow that he is addicted to anabolic steroids and is about to die of liver failure. It shouldn't change a damn thing about his accomplishments so drop it. This isn't baseball, it could be argued as more impressive if he was on steroids.

Argue it then

Golf Digest apparently got a hold of a copy and it says Tiger hurt his ACL with the SEALs and not while jogging (as initially reported).

HGH was mentioned also by me I guess if he did which no one has proven just circumstantial evidence at best he than cheated


And hurt his Achilles weight training

What circumstantial evidence? Your opinion? That he used the worlds leading doctor for platelet spinning? That he didn't blow up Barry Bonds style even when he was evidently doing absurd work outs while taking steroids? That he has skinny ass legs even though legs are solid muscle and the steroids didn't offset that?

I have been on the fence for a long time as to whether or not he did. As I have stated when I am taking my testosterone shots I can't describe the difference I feel mentally and that it wouldn't surprise me if he was on PEDs simply because his mind was super human on the course. But I really do think that as we hear more about his work outs, even from Haney who is trying to sling mud yet in this case is helping Tiger's side with regard to PEDs IMHO, it seems pretty obvious that he was not taking PEDs as he would couldn't have helped but get bigger. Never did he have an off season where he put on 20 pounds of muscle and come back as a Canseco style freak.

PEDs didn't happen, you heard it hear first.

@ship,
ok now you are just guessing. we dont have evidence either way. and you dont get huge from peds unless you are lifting heavy. i dont know if tiger lifts heavy 8rep sets ot less.

there is no evidence either way.

FMP...man I hate making simple mistakes and looking like an idiot. I am bad enough with grammar that I can't afford to make simple mistakes.
This is not even remotely accurate.

your training intensity has to be high, whether it's through reps/sets or weight, you can't just pop a needle in your ass, hop on the spin bike, and look like Dwight Howard.

Yes, which I assume we all agree Tiger probably does. My point was you don't have to lift heavy. You have to stress the muscle fiber for it to grow (ldo) but you can do that a million different ways...hell, it sounds like his bedroom activity alone would be enough to blow up his core and glutes if he were on PEDs.



Thank you, thank you, thank you in advance....

Yes and that Doctor was indicted and pled guilty to importing HGH and Steroids. All those bikers that cheated were not huge also.

But they don't lift like Tiger does, which is the entire argument if I'm following things...

Have you ever seen their legs? They are HUGE....like I mean ****ing HUGE.

Honestly just knowing how big of a competitor Tiger is and how driven he is to win I would be surprised if he hasn't tried just about everything out there at one time or another. Including PEDs.

However i doubt he used muscle builders over long periods of time. But painkillers? yea probably imo.

Not that i care in the slightest.

For some reason I remember pain-killer addiction as part of the whole Elin 9-iron thing.

If I had pain meds on hand I would take them right now...started the "Insanity" work out this weekend.

FML.

really?did you jump right into it or is there like some basic workout to start a foundation first?

any reason you picked over p90x?

haha wow I can't believe I didn't remember that..Tiger getting treatment for addiction to pain meds.

Right into it. I am typically in decent shape, but after 5 months off from golf and working out due to the broken foot I am in pretty weak shape.

Just picked it to do in the house and you don't need any equipment whereas I am pretty sure you need a few things for P90x.

Yeah if tiger was on steroids it would be blatantly obvious...we all know about his insane workout regimen

You ever seen a bikers legs that doesnt cheat Their HUGE

I will always believe Tiger cheated at Golf, Cheated on his wife and is a all around prick on and off the course. Cmon who goes to the fridge and gets a sugar free popsicle and doesn't offer his guest one? Ill tell you whom a Cheating HGH laced Golfer

the Insanity looks hard don't post in H& F though they will tell you to do S&S

A lot of the PED use in bikers relates to blood doping and drugs that enhance the bodies ability to carry oxygen, which allows muscle to, in lamens(sp?) terms, not become as tired etc.

Tiger = Muscle building
Lance = Oxygen in blood.

But lozen, you really are off the deep end with your tiger hating... And it seems you're holding leoslayers hand with this.

Am I really. I respect his competitive nature and acknowledge he was one the greatest of his time. How can we not question any athlete nowadays that excels way past the limits and not think of PED? When you associate yourself with a doctor whose reputation is tainted and has been linked to athletes using HGH. Proof we have none. Heck for all the time I believed Lance was clean and yet no one has proven he wasnt. Though with all that is out there how can you believe Lance?

Am I wrong to dispise an athlete that cheated on his pregnant wife 30-40 times than claims to have a so called sex addiction. An Athlete that seems to only have one care in his life himself?

If that makes me an extreme Tiger hater fine. Though we also have extreme Tiger Lovers that will defend him no matter what he does.

Yet I still think the Tour is better with him. I would love to see him finish second for years to come.

Yeah I'm a Tiger fan and Ive never pretended to defend his off-course behavior because that is his private life, and, as ****ed up as it may be, I don't care about it. He hasn't physically hurt anyone or broken any laws. Duh I feel bad for Elin and yeah he's made a ton of bad choices, but I'm not Tiger's friend. I don't idolize his life. I love watching him play golf, thats it and thats all.

Haters will look to literally anything they can to attack the guy. There is zero evidence that he has done any PED's, yet people want to fabricate any little bit of evidence they can to convict the guy of steroid use. If your argument is "Well he is really good at what he does so he must use PEDs" then that is plain silly. If he fails a test or someone comes out reporting his use and has evidence for it, then I'll believe it. Until then, there is just nothing to suggest anything of the sort. And again, I'm a fan of Tiger the golfer, not Tiger the person.

Yes, your hatred for him as a person is infringing on your opinion of him as a golfer.

As for "how can we not question any athlete that excels way past the limits", I guess Tiger has been taking PEDs since he was 2.

Oh but I see where you are getting all of your PED/HGH evidence....
Must be his ability to avoid injury/return from injury abnormally fast. LOL

Or maybe it his massive gains in driving distance due to all of the extra strength those drugs gave him.... hmmmm lets take a look.

Tour driving average in 97- 267.6
Tour driving average in 2005(Tiger's far and away best year off the tee)- 289
% increase- ~8%

Tiger in 97- 294.8
Tiger in 2005- 316.1
% increase- ~7%

OPEN AND SHUT CASE, nobody can gain that much more yardage compared everyone else without using... oh wait

These sorts of ridiculous claims are the reason why Tiger fans defend him. I don't defend him all the time(obviously anyone who tries to defend his off the course actions with regards to his cheating is an idiot) but the majority of stuff I defend on this forum is so completely far off base and easily refuted that it is silly.