No, but you do from too much sprint and speed work. He has a straight line track in his backyard that could only be used for sprint work.

My head just exploded...how does he still have a job?

Ship with like the greatest swing breakdown I've ever read

Ya, Jim Rome spent. Like twenty minutes "not implying" yet actually blatantly implying steroid use. Dude is the biggest tool on the planet

This snap vs jump sounds like semantics, imho.

FWIW Tiger himself uses the term "snapping". In fact, on pg 173 of his book How I Play Golf he headlines the page with: FOR MORE YARDS, I "SNAP" MY LEFT LEG.

how does rome have a job??
cause he has done the two best interviews with tiger woods in tigers whole life!

Wow why is he so obsessed with running being a one of a kind golfer, his previous coaches should have warned him for his long term career

First, I was an instructor for a period of time. And I very much consider myself a student of the game with a better understand of the golf swing than 99.9% of people, including most of the tv golf analysts.

Agree with basically all of this. All good players straighten the legs. Like you said, it's a power move, but it also allows for the club to travel on the appropriate arc. Someone who keeps their knees flexed too long will have a path largely too far in-to-out, and most likely have a very hands driven release.

Also correct.

Don't necessarily agree with this. He gets in trouble with the driver because his path has been so bad. When he started working with Foley his swing path with driver was 10 degrees out.

Combination of both imo.

The knee continues to straighten, and will always continue to straighten. As you have pointed out, it has to. The timing of the straightening, and the rate at which it happens, has changed over time.

It is significantly different now than it was under Butch.

It's not semantics. All good players straighten the lead leg. Not all of them "snap" it. In the TW quote from his book he describes the "snap" as an extra move when he wants more distance, not as a fundamental part of his swing.

As I said above, if he still thinks that he is snapping it and not jumping, well, he is wrong. The reason I capitalized the AT THE TIME above is because I don't think anybody was thinking in terms of ground force reaction in golf in 2001 (when that book was written). Yes it is semantics, but if I told you to "snap your leg" or "jump while turning" which one would get you to the right place faster. Now picture yourself reading that book or, god forbid, taking a TV lesson from Johnny Miller and they ONLY say to snap your leg at impact, well do you think that terminology or "semantics" as you say would get you into the right place?

And yes, for the record, I did just imply that I understand Tiger's 2001 golf swing better than he did AT THE TIME. Cocky ftw.

Because he is programmed like very few people on Earth ever have been. They did warn him and he thinks he is built differently so he didn't take their advice.

He really is living a self inflicted hell right now. Has a massive mansion all to himself and a backyard full of training areas, golf holes, practice greens and a huge gym all to himself. And can't use any of it. It is like having a massive middle finger staring at you from your house at all times, can't escape it.

Ship wrote that Tiger most certainly does NOT snap his leg during the swing. Tiger Woods has published a book in which he states that he indeed does snap his leg when he needs more power.

Since I believe that both Ship and Tiger know what they are talking about, the most likely explanation to me is that they are using the same word to mean different things.

If that is not the case then I can't see a way to reconcile the two statements.

EDIT:

OK, cool. I can deal with this. Thanks for posting your thoughts on the swing, I appreciate hearing about how players better than myself think about mechanics.

I don't doubt it. With all the recent advances in technology and programs like TrackMan it's entirely possible that most high level players/instructors know more about the swing than Tiger did a decade ago. Current Tiger would probably agree with you.

Wish I was living in that hell, damn

What if he does quit golf to become a Navy Seal, but they turn him down when he fails his physical? Poor guy would probably kill himself

I know when I jump, my legs sure seem to magically snap to a straightened position. Odd how that works.

I think that he himself didn't even realize that the "snapping" of the knee was a result and not a cause of more power. When he needed more power he swung harder and thus "jumped" more. It looked like he was snapping it harder, but it was because he was jumping harder and not snapping it harder.

Of course if he was actually trying to snap it harder it makes sense why he is having issues now. Actually thinking about it now...maybe he actually was snapping his knee and doing it wrong since they didn't know any better. He needs to sue Johnny Miller for general stupidity and coining the phrase "snapping his leg back".

Yeah, if he were healthy he has the best setup ever. Not sure if you have all seen his house or not, but Google maps"Blowing rocks preserve". His house is due north and about the 25th house on the intercoastal...you will be able to tell which one it is. It is the only one with a golf course on the island in case you are dense...

Missed this one..it was because he thought he could get better, or he is an arrogant ass who thought Butch was getting too much credit. Which one is right depends on who you are. Spenda goes with the latter, while I adhere to the former.

Yeah someone posted a pic of his new practice facility (aka backyard) last year at one point. Ridiculous. And his house sure wasn't hard to find on that map. Some peoples' lives...

Ship:

Thoughts?

All good players straighten their lead leg, all of them. It's just to various degrees and rates. Tiger did it faster and more violently.

And this is ignoring that his upper body is in a much much different position than it was under Butch, and the effect that has on the way the knee straightens.

I'm a believer that his training (mostly his running) has had a negative effect on his knees, but I also think his move with Butch attributed to his problems.

The move with Butch wasn't just for power imo. It was to save the shot. TW has always fought being under plane ("stuck"), so Butch did a couple of things. First, he shortened the swing. This simplified some of the sequencing and helped TW keep the club more in front of him instead of dropping behind him. Then the extreme straightening of the left leg really lets the body turn and thus lets the club "turn the corner" instead of lagging behind with an overly outward path that has to be saved with a flip.

yes spenda and i are correct on this one. while you are a living legend this is one place where you are way way off sir.

Text can be difficult to interpret what the author means sometimes, and if that's the case here my apologies. That said, it seems very difficult for both of these to be true at the same time.

I suppose one could understand Tiger's butch swing better than Tiger did and never compare it to the new swings, but it seems awfully unlikely.

So who's #1 in driving on the TOUR?

you can "snap" your leg without jumping but you can't jump without "snapping."

So when Tiger says he is "snapping" his left leg he's actually jumping.

Anyway, it's possible to "jump" without posting up on your lead knee, just look at Bubba. All long drivers and track and field athletes manage to do it, or else they don't have careers.

11 round sample size, but he's moving in the right direction. He's just so much more talented than anyone else it's sick.

He also showed off his driving skills in that sweet Mercedes

Texting while driving is a skill!