If he doesn't win this year I would probably concede his chances of 18+ majors.

Under what circumstances would the haters get on board the tiger ship? What % of haters will always be haters?

The bolded statement is false and fundamentally wrong-headed. The second sentence's truth or falsity is entirely unrelated to the bolded statement.

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ill never get on board again. he was a great player. no2 all time. he will never be no1 tho not unless he wins 25+

Pretty sure shemp is just trolling or else still doesnt grasp how the statistic works despite nxt's great explanation

same answer if he didn't cheat on his wife and come off like a douchebag all the time?

In before Shremp's next post that contains 0 substance wrapped in one or two well written sentences.

Asking Leo for clarity on his thinking is pointless. Majors are the only thing that matters to Leo, except in the case of Tiger where he has to win some arbitrary # of majors more than Jack for him to be the GOAT.

Also as far as Tiger being a douchebag all the time, I disagree but I'm sure my judgment is just as clouded as his haters. I think he handles himself pretty well with the media considering they have spent the better part of 3 years demolishing him in the press. Can anyone here imagine having to deal with people that constantly thrash you all the time, having to answer all of their ridiculous questions, a good percentage of which have little to nothing to do with his golf game. Yea it is unreal he isn't the most pleasant guy talking to the media sometimes.

It's gone from the hilarious to the absurd the lengths you will go to paint Tiger in the most positive light possible. And now everybody knows how to push your buttons which is exactly what is happening here. You might consider that you're being played by a few in this thread.

You've actually sandbagged yourself and your arguments with your devotion no matter what numbers you throw out there.

And no, I don't blame him on how he deals with the media. The media acts as though they are deserving of every shred of info when they are not deserving of anything. The public is a different story however.

BO

what the hell was that post all about BO

Tiger shoots one little ole 62 and the entire forum has a hissy fit

Dont worry BO. I have absolutely 0 belief in your ability to grasp the incredibly easy to understand argument that Tiger hit the ball infinitely better than Rory on Sunday. Even with all of the evidence in the past few posts that I've made using only numbers that the PGA Tour uses to measure player performance that was created by people smarter than everyone in this thread.

If I am somehow toying with the numbers as you say to make my Tiger point, please show me the other side of the argument using the data that is available from Sunday's round.

I'm sure I will be waiting for a while, as I am still waiting for you to tell me how many no-cut events Jack and Byron played in during their no cut streak. Remember when you nitted Tigers cut stat a few pages back? And then I followed up with Tigers results and asked you to show me Jack and Byrons?

I don't know. A bunch of monkeys will eventually produce the complete works of Shakespeare, but apparently the above is the best I can come up with, making me a lesser ape of sorts.

BO

People are saying Rory hit the ball better than Tiger on Sunday? Apparently my reading comprehension needs work.

Why would anybody think that? Tiger played a great round on Sunday while Rory merely did what he needed to do.

Tiger shot 62? Did he break the course record?

BO

Wait! This whole argument is about who hit the ball better during one round of golf? So Tiger was better on Sunday! A golf tournament is 4 rounds, until he actually produces the goods when it counts people will continue to question his mental toughness. Right or Wrong that's just how it is.

The argument is that Tigers ball striking accounted for just about the entire difference between him and Rory on Sunday.

Here's the answer: it did

Cliffs for BO:

Nxt uses the strokes-gained-putting stat (which shows that Tiger and Rory essentially had the same number of strokes gained putting, right around 3) to show that the entire difference between their respective Sunday rounds was in the ball-striking aspect of the game, not putting. Shemp responds by saying 'thats laughable.' Nxt then explains how the strokes-gained stat works. Shemp says something to the effect of 'lol ur dumb i'll post later.'

There was no Tiger fanboyism going on, the argument wasn't about that.

Tiger hit the ball better than Rory all week. Period. End of story. Tiger's long game was probably something like 10 shots better than Rory over the course of the week (NXT, thoughts?). Unfortunately for TW, Rory's short game and putting were 12+ shots better.

That's the argument.

i went from pro tiger to anti long before the info on his wife came out. i was calling radio shows starting in 02 and got admonished till the wife thing came out. then they basically did the whole scene from happy gilmore with me as an apology.

@nxt yes only majors. do you want me to also throw in jacks superior amateur career or jacks ryder cup record? those will really make tiger look bad

Sorry for the lack of comprehension about earlier posts.

The rough numbers look like Rory and Tiger putted about equally well on Sunday. Looks like Rory putted 1 stroke better per round thereby showing Tiger hit the ball two strokes better over the tournament?

But we know golf is simply about how many strokes it takes to get it in the hole. Boo led in GIR's last year and lost his card.

BO

Does shemp not understand that draining a 28 footer versus a 10 footer is only worth .37 additional strokes?

Draining a 28 footer looks really impressive but the field is going to almost always 2-putt those anyway.

Draining something 34'+ is worth a lot more as I believe the 50/50 spot for a 2 or 3 putt is from 33'.

Now the eyeball test may be what shemp can hang his hat on if he wants to claim Tiger's putts had multiple breaks in them and/or were up and over ridges or down and up valleys or some nonsense (while Rory's weren't). The data won't show that but that's not much to hang your hat on.

I know we probably say this every year but is this the most anticipated Masters OAT?

It just seems like everything is coming together to make it a fantastic 4 days of tournament golf. I just hope all the big guns perform and are in the hunt come Sunday.

Yeah thats the flaw in strokes gained putting, its about impossible to account for different speeds and breaks in putts. Not all 10-foot putts are the same obviously.

Haha Leo. Thanks for the pick me up. Sure let me see Jack's superior amateur career(lol you know Tiger won 6 straight USGA national titles as an amateur?)
How about rather than just the ryder cup, show us all Tigers match play record vs Jack.

I need a laugh.

don't get me wrong, I enjoy his attitude toward the media. I do believe that a large % of people view it the opposite way.