its too hard to argue because the times are different. the competition is different. the equipment is different. lets not forget how they "tiger proofed" augusta as well.

i think its pretty safe to say that tiger has more "game" than the past legends. he's more dynamic, better athlete.......plus he has that same magic and will to win as the past greats.......if not more.

i mean c'mon........how many game winning putts has tiger made on the 18th in so many events.......over and over and over and over.

i'm not going to argue but thats my opinion. i say its my opinion because i think jack and company were awesome too.

but one thing i wont argue is buddy rich is the greatest drummer EVER

was there a consistent "#2 in the world" when Jack played? How would that person compare to Phil and/or VJ?

seems like this should be at least part of the discussion

i think its fair to say that jack had more competetive #2's he had to face.

tiger seems to have to fend off more of the guy's who are playing above the rim or running hot for that particular weekend.........but it doesnt appear that he has a solid #2 to constantly battle.

except for phil maybe?.......but even though i love phil, the guy always seems to find a way to throw it all away.......so i dont really think tiger has the same kind of competition that jack had.

could it be possible as well that the over all level of competition these days is so consistent that its hard to solidify a consistent #2?

if this is the case, then this would lend to how good tiger is because there is no doubt that he over shadows the field.

we have a point system for golf rankings these days. how long has this point system been in effect? if it wasnt around during jack's hey days, why doesnt the golf experts or anyone who's interested, applie it the same way to jack's career and see the results vs. the fields he was up against?

seems like a good way to see the disparity between jack and his competition compared to tiger and his competition.

also, if jack was in the lead in points.......which i would imagine he was.......you can also see if there was a bigger "bunching" of great players near the top compared to what tiger has to face these days.

Likewise, jack used to say he either won or lost - not finished 2nd, 4th or whatever, he always played to win because not winning was losing. He never played to save dropping a few shots and hence a few $$$