Tiger "GOAT" Woods Thread (aka Golf Forum Hamsterdam) - Page 9

ReidLockhart · 02-27-2012, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by leoslayer

i can agree with all of that ship. i also think guys miss that point. i forget who used the term enemy this past weekend but he got a little flack.

well its the right term. you have no friends out there till the round is over. you have no friends on the practice field in other sports untill you get back in the locker room.

Maybe the "gentlemen's game" and groomed-humility take a lot of the killer edge from many of the game's players growing up. Maybe they only start to ingrain (sp?) it after adolescence and then it's a matter of trying to change one's psychological mindset as an adult, which is pretty much impossible. Tiger was told he was the best and to kill everyone since he was like, two.

I'm definitely NOT saying that top golfers aren't competitive and that they don't want to kick the **** out of each other on the course, but maybe if golfers were taught No Mercy, Cobra-Kai style (because mercy is for the weak), we'd see the top level elevated just that much more...?

*edit* ****, I totally did not read Ship's post and see he posted pretty much this same thing. Sorry.

dagolfdoc · 02-27-2012, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ntnBO

Lindy Miller.

I'm not that familiar with Bryce's NCAA numbers but Lindy put up numbers that weren't even sniffed for a ton of years.

BO

Nice try, but nowhere near Bryce's numbers for a year or career. There are crazy stories regarding Bryce his senior year (best ever for a college player) - in the month of October he made 4 bogies, high round of 69 (played 30 of 31 days), and has a disability - no left pectoral muscle, smaller left hand, and webbed fingers. His scoring average his senior year is the lowest in NCAA history as is his career scoring average - I'm sure a quick google search would show that (sorry, Bo, couldn't resist). I'm a little biased because Bryce & I are friends and he played at GA Tech (my course is their home course, so I see them daily), but the point is that although he was a "can't miss" coming out of college, and, according to the numbers, the best ever, almost no one knows who he is or his background.

Apparently, though he doesn't have the heart to be a great player - at least according to this thread.

dagolfdoc · 02-27-2012, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by UCBananaboy

Drinking wine while watching NASCAR is pretty unusual...

Ha!! Actually Cops, and Eastbound & Down (again). Then maybe Storage Wars to see the hottie ex-stripper.

ReidLockhart · 02-27-2012, 10:54 PM

I like doc better when he's drinking. He fits the internet better.

Or maybe he's finally getting settled in!

ntnBO · 02-27-2012, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by dagolfdoc

Nice try, but nowhere near Bryce's numbers for a year or career. There are crazy stories regarding Bryce his senior year (best ever for a college player) - in the month of October he made 4 bogies, high round of 69 (played 30 of 31 days), and has a disability - no left pectoral muscle, smaller left hand, and webbed fingers. His scoring average his senior year is the lowest in NCAA history as is his career scoring average - I'm sure a quick google search would show that (sorry, Bo, couldn't resist). I'm a little biased because Bryce & I are friends and he played at GA Tech (my course is their home course, so I see them daily), but the point is that although he was a "can't miss" coming out of college, and, according to the numbers, the best ever, almost no one knows who he is or his background.

Apparently, though he doesn't have the heart to be a great player - at least according to this thread.

3 wins, 69.43 stroke average which included an 82. G-Tech's website didn't have win numbers for his other years.

3 wins is sweet for sure, but I'm not sure it would qualify as best year ever. And please note I'm not ragging on Bryce, just debating your stance with a player from a different era. Wow, what are the odds I'd being doing that?

BO

dagolfdoc · 02-27-2012, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ReidLockhart

I like doc better when he's drinking. He fits the internet better.

Or maybe he's finally getting settled in!

Ha!! Maybe watching EB & D before posting helps -- that & some wine! Plus, this is just fun - not giving instruction.

dagolfdoc · 02-27-2012, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ntnBO

3 wins, 69.43 stroke average which included an 82. G-Tech's website didn't have win numbers for his other years.

3 wins is sweet for sure, but I'm not sure it would qualify as best year ever. And please note I'm not ragging on Bryce, just debating your stance with a player from a different era. Wow, what are the odds I'd being doing that?

BO

Good work! Lowest stroke ave in D1 history - that was my benchmark. I'm good with the different era debate, as I'm with you totally on that, & I know you know your golf history. If you ever come around a guy from tech who played with Bryce, ask about him - they were all good and in awe of him. He was stupid good. It's pretty amazing. I'm not knocking any others, as I think Phil probably achieved more in 4 years than anyone (3 NCAA's, 1 US AM, 1 Tour win, and 21 college wins), but Bryce's average is best. Unfortunately, one of my students (Nick Cassini) had a great year that year, but got beat out by Bryce for all the player of the year awards due to Bryce's record breaking year. It's all debatable though - just like the Tiger stuff in this thread.

Bryce finished 2nd in his first PGA Tour start, then started working with Kostis, took him years to get back on tour.

Nice to see him having success now though.

ntnBO · 02-27-2012, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dagolfdoc

Good work! Lowest stroke ave in D1 history - that was my benchmark. I'm good with the different era debate, as I'm with you totally on that, & I know you know your golf history. If you ever come around a guy from tech who played with Bryce, ask about him - they were all good and in awe of him. He was stupid good. It's pretty amazing. I'm not knocking any others, as I think Phil probably achieved more in 4 years than anyone (3 NCAA's, 1 US AM, 1 Tour win, and 21 college wins), but Bryce's average is best. Unfortunately, one of my students (Nick Cassini) had a great year that year, but got beat out by Bryce for all the player of the year awards due to Bryce's record breaking year. It's all debatable though - just like the Tiger stuff in this thread.

To me, the most impressive stat was in each his junior and senior year he only had one finish outside the top 10.

I don't know if Lindy's numbers are on Okie State's website, but if not, I seriously doubt anybody will be able to pull his numbers. I do have some of them in my library however!

BO

leoslayer · 02-27-2012, 11:50 PM

i followed bryce at duke during the ncaas along with dj trahan luke donald and lucas glover. bryce was great i would have thought all these guys would have done more by now but from that week the one i had the least expectation from was luke donald.

dagolfdoc · 02-27-2012, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ntnBO

To me, the most impressive stat was in each his junior and senior year he only had one finish outside the top 10.

I don't know if Lindy's numbers are on Okie State's website, but if not, I seriously doubt anybody will be able to pull his numbers. I do have some of them in my library however!

BO

Cool! I'll have to look Lindy up online. I've heard the name & had heard he was the real deal, but don't know anything else about him.

Bo - I know sometimes people give ya hell on here (& sometimes it's maybe justified

), but I like it that you go by facts & are truly old school - none of this "if he'd made 8 more putts he would have won" crap, or "this guy doesn't care so he tries to finish 2nd."

Nothing better than a good discussion where I learn something new.

On that note - I'm off to bed.

ship---this · 02-28-2012, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by leoslayer

i would have thought all these guys would have done more by now

Uh, we all figured you would....ldo.

Spenda · 02-28-2012, 05:05 AM

dude, go to bed, you're scaring me posting at this hour

ship---this · 02-28-2012, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Spenda

dude, go to bed, you're scaring me posting at this hour

The ldo was in your honor webmaster....woke up at 2 and couldn't go back to sleep, just to excited to help people with their electricity needs.

ldo.

UCBananaboy · 02-28-2012, 10:28 AM

Interesting paper that someone from Columbia did:

http://www.columbia.edu/~mnb2/broadi...e_20110408.pdf

Brocktoon · 02-28-2012, 10:49 AM

Haven't had a chance to read the whole article in detail but checked out the charts toward the end and they are fantastic. I could probably pour over those charts for a couple of hours and not be bored.

Quick first impression: The data really seems to back up Ship's assertion that the old "drive for show/putt for dough" cliche is a myth. If you look at the overall strokes gained they are highly coordinated to the "long" or over 100 yard ranks both by the top and bottom performers. The putting numbers are much more all over the place suggesting its not just a "putting contest" like we've all heard people say.

Good lord Tiger was an absolute beast before 2010. No weaknesses to speak of and was basically as good of a putter as Brad Faxon. I'm a pretty big Tiger fanboy and even I wouldn't have thought he was as statistically superior as he was. Also, the data used in this paper doesn't even include his play from 99-01, probably the most dominant stretch of professional golf ever played. Uncanny.