Tiger "GOAT" Woods Thread (aka Golf Forum Hamsterdam) - Page 7

shemp · 02-27-2012, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by NxtWrldChamp

Unfortunately it appears the double whammy of being a Tiger and numbers fan has caused me to become hated in the golf forum.

So you are a victim because you are a rigorous thinker who greatly admires Tiger Woods's on course accomplishments. I'm guessing you are also kind of young, but that is neither here or there.

Tiltmonkey2 · 02-27-2012, 07:21 PM

Nicklaus is the greatest of all time. Even Woods himself would say this. I highly doubt Woods will even be remotely competitive when he is in his 40's. When he lost his club head speed and mental game it has all gone down hill. It shows that Nicklaus not only was superior in the mental game but also that he was more of a pure talent in his ability to still be competitive while his body got older. I think Woods losing his dad had a lot to do with his decline as well. Not having someone to really keep him focused has taken a great toll on him. It seems watching old footage that Nicklaus was over all more passionate about the game as well. Sometime Woods really looks like he is grinding just to get through a tournament.

Eurotrash · 02-27-2012, 07:45 PM

lol shemp doing serious work itt

NxtWrldChamp · 02-27-2012, 08:03 PM

yea, he is a solid troll

lozen · 02-27-2012, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dagolfdoc

Great point - Watson (my all-time fav) was known as a choker early in his career, yet will go down in history as one of the all-time greats. He certainly didn't lose because he didn't have heart - he just didnt know how to win at that level early in his career. Personally, I thought Phil would have won more because he was dominant in college - more than Tiger, and, while he's had a great career, its less than I expected for him coming out of college.

Do you think it may be that Phil had other areas in his life that were a priority like his family? Tiger was a machine and only cared about winning at all costs which included working harder than anyone else. He has proven he had no regards for his wife or kids. Even though it is just my opinion and not fact I also think PED's also contributed to huge success.

For me now he has lost his mental edge and his body is worn out.

leoslayer · 02-27-2012, 08:24 PM

no phil is just lazy. lots of great talents dont work hard they dont have to. this is in all aspects of life.

dagolfdoc · 02-27-2012, 08:27 PM

The Tiger discussion is funny to me - if someone is a Tiger fan - they can find all the ammo they need on how is back - if they are a hater they can certainly make that argument. He hasn't played a full season in a couple years, doesn't have a win (outside of off-season ((is that better wording?))) but he is "close" the haters can make their claim that he is on his downfall. I'm a complete 3rd party - I don't really care - if he plays good - I like it - if he doesn't, I enjoy watching those who do. He hasn't performed to the expectations I (or anyone else I would guess) came to expect of him when he dominated, and anyone who would trade his past few years with Bradley, Kuchar, Haas, etc is nuts. My point has been, and is, does no one notice/recognize the other good play? OK TW's average is better than Bradley's over 4 tournaments - yes TW has more majors, more $$, more child support, etc - but who is "close" and is "closer?" If anyone wants to say Tiger is playing better over the last 6 months/year/whatever than Bradley, Phil, Haas, Sneds, Day, -- ok, I get it, he's better overall, long-term. But NOW, he's not the best player on the planet as he was for a long time. He's lost tons of fans & $ because of his off-course activity, and hes' going through a major swing change - I get that. However, IF TW didn't have 14 majors and his name was Mark Wilson, how many on here would be going nuts about him?

All-in-all it's an interesting time in golf - Tiger took things to a new level and some younger guys are trying to reach that bar. No doubt, if Tiger gets back to his "A" game it will be a fun year watching guys like Rory, Bradley, Scott, playing against him on a Sunday, but right now, Tiger is, unfortunately, a really good tour player, not the best.

dagolfdoc · 02-27-2012, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by leoslayer

no phil is just lazy. lots of great talents dont work hard they dont have to. this is in all aspects of life.

WTF? Do you know Phil? Lazy is hardly a word I'd use to describe him.

Klingbard · 02-27-2012, 08:34 PM

i don't know why i even expect a coherent thought out of leoslayer. trololo

dagolfdoc · 02-27-2012, 08:35 PM

Best player in college golf -- EVER?

Phil? Tiger? Jack?

I'm not savvy enough to put that little spoiler thing in here, but its:

Bryce Molder. Best ever. Lowest scoring ave. of all time. Would that make him the GOAT? Or, would it be based on wins? Or on NCAA Ind Champ? What about winning a tour event or a US Am? Based on #'s it's Bryce, but I don't know that he's the name that comes to mind when people think about best ever in college golf.

Did he not have the success on tour because he didn't have "heart" or "desire" - no way - if anyone on here knows him, they know that is not true! Based on #'s though he was better than TW last year and in college.

ReidLockhart · 02-27-2012, 08:39 PM

Can't we just say "These guys are good." and shut up and watch?

JTrout · 02-27-2012, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by leoslayer

you are still a great player though.

Thank you. But it sux to know that with a little more heart, with a little more fight in my dog, I could have over 14 majors.

JTrout · 02-27-2012, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ReidLockhart

Can't we just say "These guys are good." and shut up and watch?

Amen brother.

leoslayer · 02-27-2012, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dagolfdoc

WTF? Do you know Phil? Lazy is hardly a word I'd use to describe him.

well from a distance all the time off vs his poor performance over his career.

and his 38b chest could lead somebody that conclusion.

dagolfdoc · 02-27-2012, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jk3a

What specifically did BC say that made you feel he 'came off very informed, and gained a lot of respect?'

Full disclosure: I'm pretty sure I've read the same conversation and I think Brandel is ****ing retarded.

Sorry -not dodging this question, just got involved with some other spirited debates!

I'll see if I can pull some of the stuff off the thread, it's probably not the same thread you saw, as this was on a private PGA instructor thread (not saying it couldn't be, but my guess is no) - if it was, I don't know you'd say that about BC.

As for now, I'm settling in with a glass of wine and going to step away from whether Tiger is the 2nd coming, whether BC is an idiot, or who the bachelor will pick tonight. Good stuff on here today - I enjoyed participating & reading it.

have a great evening.