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08-25-2015 , 09:25 PM
Spieth is not going winless in the next 20 majors. He, McElroy and Day are going to win more majors. There are plenty of good players now but those 3 are a bit ahead of the pack.
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08-30-2015 , 04:36 PM
One thing I say in somewhat of agreement with the OP, is that Spieth this whole year outside of Augusta has never been dominant in any tourny. His consistency is off the chain historic of course, but I dont know if it's because hes a shorter hitter, maybe a little more risk adverse, but he doesn't seem to have that Tiger /Rory crush factor, which who knows I guess, maybe it's amounts to more wins just consistently running with the herd going into sat and sun of majors as opposed to have no chance or winning by 5. I think when it's done Speith will have like 6-8 and Rory will have like 12-16.
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04-10-2016 , 11:51 PM
Let's see what happens when Spieth faces some real adversity. He did actually choke on 17 at the US Open. That would have been a blown major if Dustin knocks in his first putt, or even two puts and beats him the next day.


Someone embed this dang thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0YIJQ1jgEI
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04-11-2016 , 12:29 AM
Here are three absolutely true statements:

Jordan Spieth is an awesome putter by history of the game standards.

Jordan Spieth is probably the best "Golfer" on the planet.

Jordan Spieth does not have a good swing, nor is he a top tier striker of the golf ball.

Two more things, as all of you who play know well, putting ebbs and flows. Guys who hit solid golf shots, bomb drivers, and control their trajectory do not just start hitting near shanks for 5,6,7, consecutive swings.

Going forward, the realization that swings that bad are somewhere in his move is going to play havoc with him mentally.

I would not be surprised to see a major grip change in the near future so he doesn't have to keep chicken winging it, which is not an easy way to play day to day as you get older and a little damaged mentally. The major reason he is not nearly as long or has as piercing a trajectory as most of the younger guys is that he shoves and holds the club through impact. It is not just strength that has him spotting guys 20, 30 and 40, it's also mechanics.

I love the way he plays golf, maps a course, and rolls the ball. He seems like a great guy. Watch out if he makes a few key changes to his move.
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04-11-2016 , 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Str82thenuts
Spieth is not going winless in the next 20 majors. He, McElroy and Day are going to win more majors. There are plenty of good players now but those 3 are a bit ahead of the pack.
From a mathematical point if view it is not really that far out on a limb to say Spieth goes 0fer his next 20. There are a ton of great players and the gap between them has never been smaller. Day, Rose, DJ, Stenson, Willett, Bubba, Rickie, Rory... exactly how big of an edge do you think Spieth has on these guys? Not to mention the guys on the way up like Berger, Koepka, Matsuyama, etc.

Not saying he won't, just saying that statistically it would not be that unlikely. If he's 10-1 to win every major he enters (and I think that's generous), the chances of him not winning 20 in a row are pretty good. We saw today how easy a couple bad swings can sink even a top pro, when the competition is so evenly matched in talent level.
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04-11-2016 , 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by revots33
If he's 10-1 to win every major he enters (and I think that's generous), the chances of him not winning 20 in a row are pretty good.
If he's been top 2 in 4 of the last 5 majors and top 5 in all of them why would 10-1 be generous?
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04-11-2016 , 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by BadBoyBenny
If he's been top 2 in 4 of the last 5 majors and top 5 in all of them why would 10-1 be generous?
10-1 are extremely good odds in a major where all the best players in the world are competing. Curious what kind of odds would you give JS in the next 3 majors this year?

Nothing against Jordan, I'd say the same about Day or Rory also. These things are tough to win. The fact that he has done so well in the past 5 is impressive, no doubt. He may win a bunch more majors, or he may win zero, who knows?
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04-11-2016 , 01:56 PM
I think we can all agree that the next time we can get the 12th ranked player in the world at between 60 and 125 to 1 in a field where only 60 or so guys are actually compettitive, we should play him for at lest a 100, lol.
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04-11-2016 , 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by SqredII
I think we can all agree that the next time we can get the 12th ranked player in the world at between 60 and 125 to 1 in a field where only 60 or so guys are actually compettitive, we should play him for at lest a 100, lol.
+1

And I think OP has a good point. The field is ridiculously deep these days. Who did Tiger really have to compete against except for Phil? David Duval?
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04-11-2016 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
+1

And I think OP has a good point. The field is ridiculously deep these days. Who did Tiger really have to compete against except for Phil? David Duval?
It is common to always believe the best generation is the current one. Tiger was so good he made a lot of really great players irrelevant.

In 1998, one year after Tiger's coronation and record setting performance, Jack Nicklaus finished 6th (-5, with a 68 on Sunday) to bead TW by 2, at 58 years old. By the way, Gary Player also made the cut that year. Believe me, every generation's great players could really play.

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04-11-2016 , 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by revots33
10-1 are extremely good odds in a major where all the best players in the world are competing. Curious what kind of odds would you give JS in the next 3 majors this year?
somewhere around 6/1 at Oakmont, 7/1 at Royal Troon, 8/1 at Baltusrol
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04-11-2016 , 07:18 PM
Those numbers are probably really close to right on. Favorites in golf rarely offer proper value. I wonder if the USGA has decided that "creativity", which is really only code for how good you are after you mess up, should be downplayed for a few years.
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04-11-2016 , 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
+1

And I think OP has a good point. The field is ridiculously deep these days. Who did Tiger really have to compete against except for Phil? David Duval?
The obvious omission here is Vijay Singh, who once won NINE tournaments in a year. Also, Retief had a pretty good run for awhile, Davis Love III, etc.
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04-11-2016 , 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb
The obvious omission here is Vijay Singh, who once won NINE tournaments in a year. Also, Retief had a pretty good run for awhile, Davis Love III, etc.
Ernie Els
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04-11-2016 , 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by SqredII
It is common to always believe the best generation is the current one. Tiger was so good he made a lot of really great players irrelevant.

In 1998, one year after Tiger's coronation and record setting performance, Jack Nicklaus finished 6th (-5, with a 68 on Sunday) to bead TW by 2, at 58 years old. By the way, Gary Player also made the cut that year. Believe me, every generation's great players could really play.
Well, i'm 52...I remember Jack in his prime.

Tiger had a few competitors, sure...but it wasn't as wide open as it is today.
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04-11-2016 , 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by BadBoyBenny
somewhere around 6/1 at Oakmont, 7/1 at Royal Troon, 8/1 at Baltusrol
Fair enough but even at those odds not winning 20 in a row is not that much of a crazy long shot.

Figure about a 10% chance of any one player winning every tournament (9-1 odds). That means over 20 tournaments they would be expected to win 2. Of course at 7 or 8 to one it would be slightly higher. But either way not winning at all would not be some crazy result. Especially if his play drops off, or some other dominant player emerges, and his odds get longer over the 5 years.

Anyway he'll most likely win 1 or 2 more over the next 5 years but it's by no means a lock given how tough the competition is.
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04-11-2016 , 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb
The obvious omission here is Vijay Singh, who once won NINE tournaments in a year. Also, Retief had a pretty good run for awhile, Davis Love III, etc.
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Ernie Els
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04-11-2016 , 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by revots33
Fair enough but even at those odds not winning 20 in a row is not that much of a crazy long shot.

Figure about a 10% chance of any one player winning every tournament (9-1 odds). That means over 20 tournaments they would be expected to win 2. Of course at 7 or 8 to one it would be slightly higher. But either way not winning at all would not be some crazy result. Especially if his play drops off, or some other dominant player emerges, and his odds get longer over the 5 years.

Anyway he'll most likely win 1 or 2 more over the next 5 years but it's by no means a lock given how tough the competition is.
We have all been spoiled by Tiger's run and Rory and Jordan's quick starts. It is real hard to win a major. How many guys have won more than 5? Less than 15? Jordan is a bigger favorite to never one again than win 6 more. Same for pretty much anyone else.
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04-12-2016 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by SqredII
We have all been spoiled by Tiger's run and Rory and Jordan's quick starts. It is real hard to win a major. How many guys have won more than 5? Less than 15? Jordan is a bigger favorite to never one again than win 6 more. Same for pretty much anyone else.
Well in all fairness he's only 22 and prob has another 80-90 majors in his career barring injury. While I do think going 0-for-20 is not that unlikely, going 0-for-80 does seem like a stretch given his results so far.

Either way all eyes will be on him at the US Open in June. Gonna be interesting.
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04-12-2016 , 10:01 PM
I'm embarrassed that I forgot Ernie, although of his 4 majors, one was pre-Tiger and another was post-scandal.
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04-13-2016 , 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by SqredII
I think we can all agree that the next time we can get the 12th ranked player in the world at between 60 and 125 to 1 in a field where only 60 or so guys are actually compettitive, we should play him for at lest a 100, lol.

was he that long odds? that's pretty amazing........ i think a little a part of it is that years ago "augusta knowledge" was huge as the course wasn't that long. but now it's just basic long golf (and i wonder how much these guys learn from video games etc.)

it seems like any golfer that isn't well-known in the USA is good value in the majors ... willett reminds me a bit of ross fisher who i took in every majors pool for awhile. or brandon grace. retief goosen way back when.
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