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Spottswoode · 07-21-2010, 01:48 PM

pretty sure you count the stroke and play the ball as it lies

ntnBO · 07-21-2010, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by _Mantis_

What's the ruling when my club breaks in half before I hit the ball, but the broken part of the club hits the ball and the ball goes about 20 yards?

You intended to hit the ball, it's a stroke regardless if you made contact or not.

That being said, I seriously doubt your club broke before contact. Several times my shaft has snapped at the head during contact resulting in a most interesting sensation, the ball does fly halfway decent however.

BO

Hotrod0823 · 07-26-2010, 11:19 AM

My Neighbor was playing last week and two rulings came up and there was some discussion as to how to procede. It was a 2 day match play event.

This was from his email.

I have two scenarios for you;

1) My Opponent, who played on Sunday, hit his tee shot off of #16 and landed against the barn on the left. Actually, it was partly under the edge of the barn. The barn on that side is supported by beams to hold the end of the barn up. What is the ruling on dropping a ball? Is the barn part of the course or is it a man-made object? Does he get a two club relief from the barn or temporary supports?...or can he go back as far as he wants in line of flight to have a better shot to the top of the hill? He went back and dropped with a better line of sight to the hill. (I disagree)

2) On Saturday, I hit my second shot on #4 and it hit the bank near the green, bounced off and landed on the foot wide grass area between the stone wall and the paved cart path. The ball was approximately 3” away from the wall. A) Is the stone wall part of the course or man made?...and I had to stand on the cart path to hit the shot. Is there relief without penalty and if so, where is the closest point of relief because the wall runs along the cart path. (Rick said I don’t get relief and I played the ball where it lied. I disagreed but where would I get the relief?)

My first thoughts were that in #1 line of sight rule would only apply if he declared the ball unplayable. Now if he wanted relief from this unmoveable opject he can only take 1 club length no nearer the hole. If he didn't drop correctly it is lose of the hole in match play?

For #2, I don't know how the wall plays into wether he can take relief from the path.

Thoughts?

H

ReidLockhart · 07-26-2010, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ntnBO

You intended to hit the ball, it's a stroke regardless if you made contact or not.

When I was in High School, I played in a local golf league on Sunday mornings. Rules were often discussed after rounds over beers (none for me, thank you) and lunch. The week before, one of the guys had made an abbreviated swing in the under-brush because he had a tree in his backswing. On the downswing, he missed the ball and hit a bunch of pine needles and other loose impediments without moving the ball. Obviously this is a stroke, but the important part is that there was discussion about it. The argument lasted quite a while and actually got pretty heated. The rulebook was finally broken out by this one high handicapper (he was a real chop) and he read the rule and then explained that it was a stroke because "it was an attempt to hit the ball." One of the guys arguing against it, who is obviously wrong, kinda rolls his eyes and gives a whatever and orders another beer.

The next week, we're all around the first tee and the high handicapper from the week before is on the tee. He makes a couple practice swings and gets up and addresses the ball. He swings and WHOOOOOOSH and before anyone can even laugh at him, the other guy that had rolled his eyes says in his Jersey/Italian accent and in the most serious and snide manner "Was that an attempt?"

Instantaneous laughter through the whole lot of us.

Spottswoode · 08-10-2010, 09:12 AM

Me and a friend are playing in a 6 game match-play championship at the moment. Winner chooses the end-of-season course to play, loser pays. This happened during our match this past weekend and neither of us were quite sure how to proceed.

On the back 9 of our second match my opponent hits a layup shot to about 100 yards, we observe the ball land and run out into the rough. As he is waiting for the other 3 of us to hit our shots, someone pulls their golf cart next up to his ball, gets out and pockets it and then continues on. (They were playing the next hole, a par 4 that runs perpendicular to this one) When my opponent gets to where he saw his ball land, it's not there. He calls over the perpetrators but they deny taking his golf ball.

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18-1. By Outside Agency

If a ball at rest is moved by an outside agency, there is no penalty and the ball must be replaced.

Note: It is a question of fact whether a ball has been moved by an outside agency. In order to apply this Rule, it must be known or virtually certain that an outside agency has moved the ball. In the absence of such knowledge or certainty, the player must play the ball as it lies or, if the ball is not found, proceed under Rule 27-1.

Does 18-1 include the ball being pocketed?

My play: I didn't know what the rule was, but I told my partner to drop another ball, no penalty. I was certain that his ball was taken and so was he, so it felt like the fair thing to do for someone with no knowledge of the rule (and no rule book in his bag, yah yah)

g-bebe · 08-10-2010, 10:27 AM

Per the rule, it seems like you guys did the right thing if you both thought they pocketed it.

qazikm2000 · 08-10-2010, 12:19 PM

Correct that your friend should get a drop with no penalty.

I also would give him a "bonus shot" in the form of a 3 iron directed at the person who pocketed his ball.

Pelican86 · 08-10-2010, 06:31 PM

Today I was playing at a course I hadn't played before (it's 27 holes and I've played the other two nines, but not this one). I get to the 4th hole and can't believe what a bizarre looking hole it is. It's a dogleg par-5 and I have no clue where the flag is; the fairway seems to be off past some trees and water. I hit two balls into the water, then hit a third one into play. As I go toward my ball, I realize that I'm heading toward what seem to be the back tees (I was playing from the middle). I hit my ball 180 degrees in the wrong direction! Obviously, since my ball was a little bit "behind" the tee markers, that meant I wasn't in the teeing ground. So per Rule 11-4, it's two penalty strokes, re-tee, and carry on, correct?

Ortho · 08-11-2010, 03:17 AM

I have no idea what the answer to this could be, but that's awesome if you end up hitting 3 in the correct direction.

Ortho · 09-05-2010, 03:31 AM

On the green, there is a really big loose impediment (a stick) right behind the hole. If I go past the ball is going to hit the stick and stop. Am I obligated to remove the loose impediment?

ntnBO · 09-05-2010, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ortho

On the green, there is a really big loose impediment (a stick) right behind the hole. If I go past the ball is going to hit the stick and stop. Am I obligated to remove the loose impediment?

I can't see how you would ever be forced to move a loose impediment. Should just be filed under rub of the green.

BO

Ortho · 09-05-2010, 12:40 PM

Thanks, as always.

mvoss · 10-01-2010, 09:07 AM

If you accidentally touch your ball with your putter when you address it on the green but the ball does not move is there a penalty for that?

This situation came up for a friend of mine in a club championship in match play.

ntnBO · 10-01-2010, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mvoss

If you accidentally touch your ball with your putter when you address it on the green but the ball does not move is there a penalty for that?

This situation came up for a friend of mine in a club championship in match play.

The ball did not change positions, no penalty.

BO

mvoss · 10-01-2010, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ntnBO

The ball did not change positions, no penalty.

BO

Thanks, that is what I thought too. Could you point me to any rules or decisions regarding this. Apparently I am too stupid to find them myself, or maybe it is just tricky to find since I am looking for a decision stating that "this situation does not cause a penalty" instead of a rule that says "this situation causes a penalty".