@buddy id be willing to say if jack was same age as tiger you might not know tiger was even born.

do you even know how bad the balls were back then? how many you had to go thru before you found round ones? how bad the greens were?

no launch monitors. no ball tuning. no shaft tuning. sports medicine was awful.

hell when i was young they still said water was for pussies water was for the weak. this is in 100 weather playing football.

Uhhhh everyone has always had access to the same technology in each time period. Less people played 30 years ago and the whole fitness aspect and such was nearly unheard of then as well.

This and that.

The fields today are soon much deeper it's a joke. I'm not going to respond or debate this because if you don't agree with this you are just not very informed on golf. Even BO will agree the fields are exponentially deeper today.

Are we already on the L's of hurricanes this year cuz Hurricane Leo is ashore...what the hell happened here?

ship lots of the guys in majors are dead money.

Thanks to leoslayer today is the day I learned that the 2005 Masters involved chip dumping and pity and that Rocco choked away the 2008 US Open. Weird, I thought he came back from three shots down in the last eight holes of the playoff.

Also, NxtWorldChmp or whatever, LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL at quoting posts I made from three years ago to make some sort of statement. You are either an expert troll or dumb as a brick. Bad news for you either way.

Those comments pretty obviously assumed he would actually WIN MAJORS going forward. What I did not know at the time is he would epically choke away the PGA to a relative unknown, have a massive scandal which tarnished his image and seems to have affected his on-course play, miss a cut in a major that was nearly won by a 59 year old, fail down the stretch in multiple Masters, and otherwise not be a factor since. Nobody could have foreseen the absolutely epic collapse which has happened to his career in the three years hence. Those posts actually prove the unpredictability of sport, not whatever AIDS-infected case you are trying to make.

when i said he choked i meant he choked his way into the playoff. he absolutely should have won in regulation. missing the fairway on his layup and then i think he missed the green right with his wedge as well?

chris d? what can i say. he absolutely chip dumped to mikelfat. oh he just happened to hit an awful bunker shot 6 inches past phills ball on his exact line? he was trying to help phill win.

dont forget the part where he used tiger's 10-major lead over his next competitor against much deeper fields as evidence that tiger sucks

leo is clearly a troll, surely no one is that misinformed

Yeah I mean Tiger's win in 2000 was absolutely incredible, no argument there.

Also, leo, you are confusing Masters...or players...or something. It's terrible whatever it is. My guess is you mean Fred Couples and 2006 but whatever.

i didnt say he completely sucks. ive actually have him 3rd on my all time list. im just saying he is definitely not the best all time yet.

that the fact that he does not contend often when he does not win is also telling.

and yes right now he is awful.

tuq? im sry i dont type especially well i have a issue with fine motor skills. can you remind me what you mean about couples?

i was referring to dimarco hitting his bunker shot on 18 after he knew he was out of it right over mickelsons ball mark and giving him the line.

by doing that he got phil over the mental hurdle of winning his first major. and thus saved him from becoming another colin montgomery

Wherever Tiger's career goes from here, I am just glad I got to witness it. Possibly the greatest sports career, spectacle-wise, that we have ever seen.

Oh, I didn't realize that we had switched from Tiger to Phil, since Tiger was involved in a showdown with DiMarco the very next year.

Yeah, everyone knows that DiMarco chip dumped to Phil that year. Ernie Els hasn't talked to him since.

Much deeper today, not as many studs though. Guys in the 60's and 70's were tough as nails, they had to be to survive, that's not the case today.

BO

yes tuq i referred to that earlier when i said the closest thing tiger had to an elite player was phil.
phil has 4 wins and 6 seconds and i was comparing him to floyd 4 wins 5 seconds. so they cancel each other out although i wanted to make the point that without dimarco basically quitting on his bunker shot on 18 which gave phil his win thus freeing him up to win more majors then phil could be right there with monty as biggest choke artists of all time

thats exactly what i said they had to eat! and if you were trying to beat them they thought you were stealing from their children. they didnt back down.

guys now know they can make 300 to 400k off course no issue they dont have to win.

not much of a poster obv...still like to read tho... like leo juicing this thread

Haha don't get your panties so in a bunch. I just thought it was hilarious that at some point you both thought he was the GOAT or going to be the GOAT now you both think he sucks. You also stated that Tiger was just that much better than everyone else as a reason for no real rival, and not to hold that against him. Just funny.

As for 2010 struggles, using that year to critique his play is pretty lol. 2011 he was injured for a lot of it and played a very limited schedule. As for majors, if he doesn't win Augusta you will have the longest streak of his career where he hasn't won a major. Yes, contrary to what most people would lead you to believe this is'nt the longest drought of his career, right now it is only tied for it. There were 10 majors in between 2002 US Open and 2005 Masters. Also conveniently 10 majors between 97 Masters and 99 PGA. Both gaps due in part to a swing change, mix in a personal life disaster and an injury that has kept him out of some majors recently and it's really not that bad. He has only played in 10 majors since the 2008 US Open. How did he do in those 10 Majors? Oh yea he got cut twice, but he also has finished inside the top 30 in all the others, and 6th or better 6 times.

In the 3 years since that post I quoted of yours, has anyone won more PGA Tour events than Tiger? Just wondering?

I don't actually think he is a troll. He just really dislikes TW, and is willfully ignorant about facts in order to back up his worldview.

I'm not even sure what to say to this. Do you know that if you go to pgatour.com you can look up TW finishes year by year? I would suggest doing that. Here is a preview:

TW's top 10 finish % over his whole career is around 75%

TW's top 3 finish % over his whole career is between 40-50%.

So...yeah. Be more wrong.

Thought of something to add. This is just PGA Tour starts. His worldwide numbers would actually bump those %'s up.

Old person history itt. Just because you want really badly for your contemporary's to be the better group doesn't make it so.

Let's do a little exercise. Go through each decade of the modern era of golf and list the "studs" that played in each decade. Those guys that were "tough as nails" because that "had to be to survive."

I'll spare you the work; here are the results: Every decade you will come up with a handful of names of guys who fit your description. All the way, conveniently enough, until the 90's and 00's. Amazingly, that will be the time when players turned soft.

Do you understand what that means?

Ok a shame that Mike Weir past champion twice was not given a sponsors exemption this week

Here he goes again:

I really wish Tiger would STFU about working on his golf swing, you know? It's obnoxious and quite the turn-off. Just admit that he's not as good as he used to be, you know?

Wait, what? You already clicked the link? It's not about Tiger? Who else would have the audacity to talk about struggling during a swing change?

Oh, I see.

Maybe they filled their washed up Canadian quota with someone else. Is Keanu Reeves in the field?

@boss again just using the same time frame frame jack vs tiger that ive been using . jack 18 wins 15seconds 9 thirds. tiger 14 wins 6 seconds 3 thirds.

if you dont see the cliff like drop off when he does not win i cant help you.

and boss im not talking about regular tour events. this is about majors only.

TW has finished in the top 10 in 35 of 56 majors. 29 of those 35 were top 5 finishes. So in over half of the majors he has teed it up he has finished in the top 5.

From 1962-1986 I count 55 top 5's for Jack out of 100 majors entered.

So, no, I don't see the cliff like drop off, unless it exists for both of them. Another note, Jack missed 6 cuts over that span, Tiger has missed 3.

And this is ignoring that a top 5 in a major in the 60's and 70's is a significantly easier feat than it is today.