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02-13-2012 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by ship---this
This. Let's say you guys owned the Golf Channel. Would you want to create a seamless transition for your competition? Furthermore, they might not be allowed to by CBS. For the exact opposite reason. Would you want your competitor to air all the action and then you have no mystery lead in to your telecast? I know I was wanting to see Phil's eagle putt but TGC couldn't air that as it was CBS footage.
If I own TGC I do everything I can, whatever that takes, to have that extra 30 minutes of golf during the middle of a Sunday afternoon while the leaders are in the middle of their round. Not a hard decision for me.
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Originally Posted by Your Boss
Not really much bad wrong outside of putting actually. He hit over 70% of fairways (more than Phil) and while his GIR % was only 50, it's a bit misleading. His iron/wedge play wasn't sharp, but it wasn't "shoot 75 bad". Three or four balls on fringes, a layup from a FW bunker, etc. The missed greens on 14/15 were awful though.

His putting strokes gained on Sunday was -5.228. Phil's was +4.779. That's over 10 shots right there.

Look, no doubt he wants to hit it better then he did on Sunday. But just an average putting round with the ballstriking he had and he shoots 70 and the tournament is completely different.
Yeah, Tiger's ballstriking wasn't great but it was ok. But his putting was just omgwtfawful. Phil's putting was masterful. Just an incredible round by Phil, and give him credit because I think when Phil shoots 64 there Tiger wins the tournament like 1 out of 100 times. He went out and won the thing.
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02-13-2012 , 11:15 AM
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02-13-2012 , 11:17 AM
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Anyway, as a Tiger fanboi, I was shocked at how yesterday went. He hit it plenty well enough to contend, but the putting was atrocious. 5 misses from 5 feet or less, not gonna get it done.
Im honestly not trolling here but why are you guys continually shocked when he can't do it on a Sunday now? This isn't the Tiger that stomps all over the field anymore, Tiger fans need to realize this. He is older and isn't the fearless golfer he once was, nerves are starting to play a huge part in his game. He can still produce moments of brilliance but it's putting it together for 4 straight days that is going to be the big thing for him. I want him to get back to contending and trust me Im not his biggest fan but I want the big names of the sport playing at the top of their game against one and other most weeks. It's good for the sport and that is what is most important here.
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02-13-2012 , 11:39 AM
If Tiger would have shot 70 or 71 and gotten beat by Phil by 6-7 strokes, I wouldn't have been shocked. But when you get trounced by 11, and look as mentally frustrated and defeated as he did, and miss 4-5 footers, then it is shocking. It is frustrating to watch as a Tiger fan because lately he keeps putting himself in decent shape through 3 rounds only to completely blow it on Sunday.
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02-13-2012 , 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ship---this
This. Let's say you guys owned the Golf Channel. Would you want to create a seamless transition for your competition? Furthermore, they might not be allowed to by CBS. For the exact opposite reason. Would you want your competitor to air all the action and then you have no mystery lead in to your telecast? I know I was wanting to see Phil's eagle putt but TGC couldn't air that as it was CBS footage.
Meh, I think people are more likely to point the finger at the Golf Channel and be more upset with their coverage for that than CBS. Most people look at it like Golf Channel has nothing better to show while CBS was broadcasting a live, college basketball game. It makes NBC/GC look much worse.
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02-13-2012 , 12:47 PM
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Im honestly not trolling here but why are you guys continually shocked when he can't do it on a Sunday now? This isn't the Tiger that stomps all over the field anymore, Tiger fans need to realize this. He is older and isn't the fearless golfer he once was, nerves are starting to play a huge part in his game. He can still produce moments of brilliance but it's putting it together for 4 straight days that is going to be the big thing for him. I want him to get back to contending and trust me Im not his biggest fan but I want the big names of the sport playing at the top of their game against one and other most weeks. It's good for the sport and that is what is most important here.
Like schu said, if he struggled a bit and shot 70 or 71 then no big deal. That would have been what a not quite all the way there Tiger might do. It's not like the guy is Ken Duke. But missing 5 putts inside of 5 feet used to be a season for Tiger, not a single round. And he just looked defeated at points.

Credit to Phil though. He played great. I think the sequence on 12/13 just killed TW's will. If Phil misses that putt on 12 it's only a 3 shot lead and huge momentum to TW. But he makes it, then TW has a divot ball as he watches Phil stuff it on 13 to end it. Amazing 15 minutes of tv there.
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02-13-2012 , 12:49 PM
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What a bunch of whining gits we are.
On the plus side at least you're self-aware.

If you're watching live you're already doing it wrong. I watch a ton of golf but only live if it's either a major or a Euro event and I'm on a bike at the gym. Watching live golf is such a massive fail, a thought which crosses my mind when I blaze through a three hour broadcast in half that time, never missing a shot.

Most broadcasts: long, long intro, a couple of shots, three minutes of commercials, a couple more shots, followed by an interview, then some more commercials, then super slo-mo of swings (I could not care less about the Kostis analysis bits but maybe others enjoy them), then a couple more shots followed by more commercials. Massive waste of time dealing with that filler. Especially on the Saturday of this event when they interview faux celebs as they come through 17. Awful. Spot the broadcast 2+ hours to ensure not catching up to live = winning.
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02-13-2012 , 01:31 PM
Some of us are hungover on a Sunday and lying in bed at 8pm, there isn't much else on.
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02-13-2012 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by schu_22
If I own TGC I do everything I can, whatever that takes, to have that extra 30 minutes of golf during the middle of a Sunday afternoon while the leaders are in the middle of their round. Not a hard decision for me.
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Meh, I think people are more likely to point the finger at the Golf Channel and be more upset with their coverage for that than CBS. Most people look at it like Golf Channel has nothing better to show while CBS was broadcasting a live, college basketball game. It makes NBC/GC look much worse.
I think you guys are missing the point. Most likely CBS won't let TGC air the coverage. You buy the rights package for a certain time, nothing more, nothing less. The PGA Tour and CBS would be violated if TGC aired the coverage. CBS because it takes away from their lead in and the Tour because they haven't been paid for the rights for the additional time. I can assure you TGC would air it if they could. That is why they don't even show any additional footage from the towers after the sign off of their time as CBS owns that footage.
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02-13-2012 , 02:25 PM
ship, I understand why the break happens. I'm merely saying that if I am TGC, I'm doing everything I possibly can to get those rights. And it just seems like money is being lost by someone by not showing those 30 minutes, whether it is TGC, CBS, or the tour.
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02-13-2012 , 02:35 PM
Sure, but CBS ain't skipping college B-ball week in and week out...sure it sucks when the stars align and we get Phil/Tiger pairing, but they bread and butter this time of year is college hoops. So CBS can't redo their timing as the college games would have to start too early for central and west coast. TGC can't get the rights and CBS doesn't want them. So, yes, money is being lost, but more is being made on hoops.
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02-13-2012 , 02:40 PM
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Spot the broadcast 2+ hours to ensure not catching up to live = winning.
I do that with pretty much all sports now.
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02-13-2012 , 02:43 PM
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I do that with pretty much all sports now.
I don't watch any TV shows not on DVR, but for some reason it is hard for me not to watch sports live. I can pull it off sometimes, but it is a challenge.
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02-13-2012 , 02:48 PM
Same ship, I like watching sports live. The commercials are a needed break for me for whatever reason for max drama and enjoyment.

With golf I try to DVR enough where I catch up live in time to watch the leaders last five or six holes. That's been a good compromise for me.
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02-13-2012 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ship---this
Sure, but CBS ain't skipping college B-ball week in and week out...sure it sucks when the stars align and we get Phil/Tiger pairing, but they bread and butter this time of year is college hoops. So CBS can't redo their timing as the college games would have to start too early for central and west coast. TGC can't get the rights and CBS doesn't want them. So, yes, money is being lost, but more is being made on hoops.
Yes, I have no idea why this is so hard for some to grasp. This only happens on the CBS weeks - so, slightly less than half the time. Plus they very rarely will have such a compelling pairing towards the back of the pack. As it was, the ~50 minutes or so of downtime (accounting for the nearly 20 minutes of NCAA runover) only resulted in <3 missed holes, which were immediately covered in a recap by CBS.

Obviously when doing a cost/benefit analysis the decision-makers at TGC didn't factor in the paroxysms of rage from some of the Tiger fanbois at being denied 2.5 holes live coverage of his front nine. It's like he's like oxygen for some of you.
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02-13-2012 , 03:08 PM
Tuq with almost 40,000 posts is pretty damn impressive!
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02-13-2012 , 03:47 PM
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaave you met Anarchist?
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02-13-2012 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ship---this
Sure, but CBS ain't skipping college B-ball week in and week out...sure it sucks when the stars align and we get Phil/Tiger pairing, but they bread and butter this time of year is college hoops. So CBS can't redo their timing as the college games would have to start too early for central and west coast. TGC can't get the rights and CBS doesn't want them. So, yes, money is being lost, but more is being made on hoops.
I understand the B-ball its the 20 minutes it takes to play the last 60 seconds when a team is going to lose but prolongs it.
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02-13-2012 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ship---this
Sure, but CBS ain't skipping college B-ball week in and week out...sure it sucks when the stars align and we get Phil/Tiger pairing, but they bread and butter this time of year is college hoops. So CBS can't redo their timing as the college games would have to start too early for central and west coast. TGC can't get the rights and CBS doesn't want them. So, yes, money is being lost, but more is being made on hoops.
The NCAA hoops point makes a lot of sense too. And I'm sure no network was planning on major viewership for this tournament since Tiger doesn't normally play it and it is early in the year where viewership isn't very high anyway. Put it this way, this probably won't happen with the US Open.

tuq boiling it down to 'fanboys losing their ****' or w/e is lol. Imagine watching football on Sunday, and FOX decided not to show any coverage between 14:00 and 2:00 in the 2nd quarter. Different situation obviously, but a similar annoyance.
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02-13-2012 , 05:02 PM
In any event, another excellent field this week - 5 of this years winners and almost everyone near the top of the Fedex leaderboard
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02-13-2012 , 05:23 PM
I'm worried that I keep agreeing with NitBO.

I also feel like an old man when I think I'm just happy to have a few hours of early coverage.

I still remember Ted Tryba on the verge of shooting a 59 at Riviera and all they showed in the live coverage was him hitting out of a bunker on 18 and coming up just short. Then his name was at the top of the leader board for all four hours of coverage.
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02-13-2012 , 06:54 PM
Notions like, "I understand TGC's business better than them", never occur to me. I just experience a moment of frustration when it appears I'll have to do something productive for 45 minutes.
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02-13-2012 , 07:38 PM
The whole "oh we only got a few hours back in the day" thing is sooooooooooooo old and boring. I hate when people use it to justify things.
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02-13-2012 , 08:58 PM
Someday this problem will be fixed and there will be seamless transitions between multiple networks covering a single event.

You will have bragging rights on having suffered through the period of darkness, circa 2012.

In fact, it may be partly due to folks like you, with the vision to point out to TGC's execs/decision makers that they are missing a profitable opportunity that will bring it all to pass!

http://www.golfdigest.com/golf-tours...st-of-att.html
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02-13-2012 , 09:14 PM
I have never mentioned one thing about money or contacting TGC's execs/decision makers. I have simply stated that I find it extremely ******ed. I feel the same way about it as the people at Sky Sports do when they have to show some stupid thing to pass 30-40 mins instead of watching live golf.

I've mentioned this in the past 2 PGA Tour threads but since Tiger was involved here I guess people have taken more notice.

I guess we just put it down to stupid American golf coverage

Last edited by kevin21; 02-13-2012 at 09:20 PM.
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