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Old 05-21-2012, 08:49 AM   #16
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Re: Need advice on my golf game

I am going to post videos tonight from down the line, and face on. Both driver and 7 irons.
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Old 05-21-2012, 09:43 AM   #17
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The grip thing may be the first step towards changing your swing for the better. It's possible that you can make consistent contact with your swing and grip right now, but if you change your swing to hit the ball on a lower ball flight and hit it further, you may have to change your grip. If I were to guess, your swing is likely too vertical, all arms, and your grip is slightly too weak.
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Old 05-21-2012, 01:22 PM   #18
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I had a fitting today, and here is what they came up with. Not quite sure what this stuff means, maybe you guys know.

Club Speed 99
Ball Speed 126.8
Vert Launch 16.8
Spin 5395
Carry 183
Total 193
Land angle 47.4

Said I am coming over the top not sure what that means, but will follow up with videos tonight or tomorrow.
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Old 05-21-2012, 01:23 PM   #19
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I currently use a Taylor Made super fast burner cut down to 44.5" flex shaft 10.5 loft.

Guy recommended a 9.5 degree loft, stiff shaft, and the stock length of the shaft, not sure how I feel about that.
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Old 05-21-2012, 01:39 PM   #20
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If four different pros have all seen your grip and all tried to change it chances are its horrible and it needs to change before you can hit the ball farther.
If your chicken winging through impact and you can't stop no matter what you try you're doing something wrong in the back swing.
Choose the pro you liked the best and found the easiest to understand and commit to a series of eight or so lessons with him. Tell him your goal is to hit the ball better and farther then make sure you practice what you have been told to even if it throws your timing off initially and seems to make thing worse. And don't be too down hearted if the first lessons on your grip.
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Old 05-21-2012, 02:43 PM   #21
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Guy recommended a 9.5 degree loft, stiff shaft, and the stock length of the shaft, not sure how I feel about that.
my advice to you is to stop paying people for their advice if you aren't that interested in taking it!

it's good to be skeptical and question things, but it doesn't seem that you have the base knowledge to be able to judge what is good advice and bad advice.

even if you have four different pros giving you four different grips, any one of those grips is probably better than the one you're using right now. so choose the guy you like/trust the most out of those 4 and let him teach you.

getting a new driver won't be that helpful, save that money and spend it on lessons
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Old 05-21-2012, 02:45 PM   #22
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Right sorry didn't clarify my point. Anytime I go to someone who sells clubs too, I always get skeptical when they want me to change my clubs instead of helping with my swing. I am 100% sure the clubs will never be the problem with me unless I was hitting tour blades or something.
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Old 05-21-2012, 03:42 PM   #23
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I'm not sure how helpful this is, but from those numbers it seems like your clubhead speed is fine. However the smash factor - meaning the transfer of energy from the clubhead to the ball - is poor and I think goes along with the completely insane spin rate. I'm sure this is tied into the chicken winging and I would recommend not buying new equipment until you fix this. Posting a video is a good idea and I am sure you will get some good advice.
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Old 05-21-2012, 04:09 PM   #24
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Smash factor was 1.31.
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Old 05-21-2012, 09:23 PM   #25
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Here are a few videos:

7 Iron http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-wK7PleKRE

Driver http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnBaoeyAYDY

Driver 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WohWljLN-x0&feature=plcp
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Old 05-21-2012, 09:43 PM   #26
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In the driver from behind, you can see that your shoulders and hips are not in line. your hips are pointing right, and your shoulders are aimed left. With your 7 iron, you show us your grip, it looks to me like your left hand is a little strong, and your right hand is a little weak.

Over all, though, there's something unathletic about your move that a pro could identify and explain better than simply 'unathletic'. I got some David Leadbetter DVD's a while ago, and they had a ton of drills on them.. Basically, a drill for every mistake in the swing. I did a lot of those drills as they applied to me, and it helped me a lot.
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Old 05-22-2012, 08:41 AM   #27
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Yeah I think I found the root of my problem. I have 0 flexibility in the shoulder area. I think if I can improve my flexibility, it will allow me to bring the club back closer to parallel and pointing at the target. I am determined to break 90 this year as it is my second season golfing.
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Old 05-22-2012, 11:49 AM   #28
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Re: Need advice on my golf game

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Deathdonkey, how's your swing coming along?
Good, at my lowest ever hdcp (8.2)

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I had a fitting today, and here is what they came up with. Not quite sure what this stuff means, maybe you guys know.

Club Speed 99
Ball Speed 126.8
Vert Launch 16.8
Spin 5395
Carry 183
Total 193
Land angle 47.4

Said I am coming over the top not sure what that means, but will follow up with videos tonight or tomorrow.
If you want to get a new driver it would help I'm sure, with club head speed that high you are in stiff shaft territory, the spin rate is super super high and you need to find something with low spin if possible.

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In the driver from behind, you can see that your shoulders and hips are not in line. your hips are pointing right, and your shoulders are aimed left. With your 7 iron, you show us your grip, it looks to me like your left hand is a little strong, and your right hand is a little weak.

Over all, though, there's something unathletic about your move that a pro could identify and explain better than simply 'unathletic'. I got some David Leadbetter DVD's a while ago, and they had a ton of drills on them.. Basically, a drill for every mistake in the swing. I did a lot of those drills as they applied to me, and it helped me a lot.
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Yeah I think I found the root of my problem. I have 0 flexibility in the shoulder area. I think if I can improve my flexibility, it will allow me to bring the club back closer to parallel and pointing at the target. I am determined to break 90 this year as it is my second season golfing.
I don't mean this in a mean way, just stating a fact and then moving on, the swing looks unathletic because it looks like Ed is not athletic in his body type or set up. I think you probably have a bit too much weight on your toes instead of the balls of your feet and you could get a little more bend at the waist in the set up fwiw.

Yeah Ed as you said, you aren't taking a full back swing really, its more than just shoulders though, you aren't getting nearly enough rotation from your waist either, its basically an "arms swing" which is why it doesn't go very far even though its very consistent. One quick thing might help your driver immediately and that is the way you set up you have the ball lined up almost with the heel of the driver and it appears you hit it off the heel at least a little on every swing. I don't think you are hitting any balls off the center of the club, get some impact tape and you can easily check it at the range though.

I totally agree with DickPound that the set up is closed (feet are lined up right of target and shoulders to the left), ideal would be square but if not square the exact opposite is much much better, try to exaggerate it the other way and practice a bit. Also randomly after setting up to hit the ball put your club down your foot line and step back and check it, it will take awhile to get consistent. Feel that you are lined up more to the left of your target, but that your upper body is coiled a little at set up (this is another way of saying shoulders slightly closed in relation to foot line). Then think about hitting the ball out to right field. I know right now your ball moves from left to right, but its counter intuitive, you need to try to think about hitting the ball further to the right in your swing, and it will start more square and not fade as much, long run you will learn to hit a straighter ball and maybe a draw.

You don't need to hit drivers to work on this btw, your 7 iron swing is exactly the same, so work on a mid iron most of the time, you will be able to tinker around and see what the ball flight looks like, whereas tinkering with the driver you will hit so many "disaster" balls because of inconsistent contact while tinkering you won't get nearly as good of feedback until the changes are more ingrained. How far do you hit that 7 iron btw? I would expect your lack of distance to be true for all your clubs.

One final thing, you said you hit a lot of fairways, well, if you want to get better long term and hit it further, you are gonna spray it around for awhile while working on changes, so don't be surprised if it feels like you are getting a lot worse at golf before you get better. Or that you are hitting it good on the range and then its a disaster on the course (when new thoughts and old habits are fighting each other more and probably resulting in no distance gained and worse accuracy for awhile).
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Old 05-22-2012, 12:45 PM   #29
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Hey thanks for the feedback. I hit my 7 iron around 135 every once in a while I can get it out there 150 which I know is by accident. I hit all my irons perfectly straight, I just come up short on most of them. When I look at the videos myself, I see an unathletic swing, so it does not bother me. Appreciate all the input. I feel like I may have to break down my swing and start all over.
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Old 05-22-2012, 01:39 PM   #30
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Yeah breaking down the swing and starting all over can take awhile, just be cautious when doing it to not start other bad habits.
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