Let me know if you want me to move those posts to the Misc thread.

I have used V1 software a lot and am very familiar with it. They do not have a free version and it can be beneficial but I think it's highly unlikely to be good for the average player. Why would a video be required to be viewed on V1? That makes no sense, V1 would only be needed if you were going to draw lines on the screen and if you were going to analyze the videos or swings yourself. Most people aren't qualified or have the knowledge to do that correctly. If you wanted to learn, then V1 would be what you would want to download. Just to view a video, V1 shouldn't be required and it can do more harm than good. I wouldn't recommend jumping into it without some guidance.

Do you feel like the trackman lesson was helpful? Did you feel that what it said was accurate? I'm a PGA Professional and I have had so many discussions about this with my friends and I don't buy into the new ball flight laws. I need to learn more about this, but I am an old school guy with the way I teach and play. I think the new laws aren't natural and cause more problems for the average player.

Something doesn't make sense though when you are talking about your swing. If you are coming into the ball too steep then it's hard to believe that you are on your back foot too much. This would cause you to sweep the ball and have more of a shallow path. It would be really difficult to have a reverse pivot and also be coming into the ball too steep. It is possible but I don't like that this instructor gave you these two thoughts at the same time because they oppose each other. Getting to your left side on your downswing is crucial to becoming a good ball striker. To have that thought and to also try and hit up on it is not ideal and I would recommend that you ignore that.

I would recommend when using your driver to set up to the ball just inside your left toe and feet slightly wider than shoulder width apart. Start with your weight 60% on your right side. Don't focus on getting to your left side and hitting up as these thoughts will cancel each other out. In golf, there is feel versus real and what you feel you are doing and what you are doing are never the same thing.

What is a better thought would be to focus on your weight shift but instead of thinking of hitting up on it, instead focus on getting your weight to your left foot while keeping your chest behind the ball at impact. This will fix 4 or 5 other things with one swing thought versus 5 swing thoughts to fix one. A great drill that I would recommend for you is to make a couple swings with 100% of your weight on your left foot and keep it there and make a full swing. You will really feel a big difference in the quality of your shots and you will really feel a difference right away. Keep the thought of your chest staying behind the ball at impact and this will also help you release the club. Then take your normal setup and recreate the feeling.

I'm an old school guy too but you can't argue with the ball flight laws, they've been proven. I took it as an opportunity to learn something new and apply that to my game to make it better. I always used to believe when you have to really move the ball to point the feet where you want the ball to start and the club face where you want the ball to finish. But now we know that isn't true and I approach shots like this in the modern way now and I'm better off for it.

I think most golfers should know the very basic ideas of ball flight and leave it at that. Golfers think way too much as it is. Just keep it simple but don't teach things that are proven to be false.

TrackMan is a great tool if used correctly, it is very accurate. I used it countless times in my fitting days. But the average golfer can run into problems using it on the range because of the balls. Range balls react totally different than balls used on the course and TM will reflect that and show numbers that are not relevant on the course. There is a selection in the TM software where you can "normalize" the ball but I don't think it's perfect.

If one is going to use TM, always use the balls you play with when doing so.

Yeah might as well.

A few posts from yesterday were moved to this thread (they get "merged" chronologically so you may need to go to the previous page to see them).

Callaway demo day at the club today. The curse of being a lefty has struck again!

4 different driver heads, they had 3 of them, and of course the 1 I needed was a nope. I did try the triple diamond head. Give me a dozen swings and I can pretty much get used to anything but wow is that head a ton of work. I was hitting knucklers with it in the 1200-1700 spin range.

What I really wanted to try was the new lower spin 3 wood. Nope. All they had was a 5 wood d-type with a stiff flex shaft. Fail.

At least I was able to get some Trackman time. The combo of getting older, fatter, and more out of shape = 5 mph less on my driver swing. I was a 115 2 years ago, now I am a 110. I guess that explains why I am a club shorter with the irons now. I just thought I was swinging my irons smoother.

Where can I find PGA Tour averages from specific distances ?

lets say i would like to find whats the average from exactly 137yards in the fairway

obv you can get stats here, but within ranges, not down to the yard. https://www.pgatour.com/stats/categories.RAPP_INQ.html

yep, but was wondering if more precise stats are available

datagolf might have what you're looking for if you pay for it, but only guessing because i've never paid.

Trackman was incredibly helpful. I had no idea how far left my swing path was and how open the club face is.

As far as being steep and still being on back foot....I'm no expert but I know I'm steep. I take enormous divots. My instructor confirmed the steepness while also saying I don't move weight forward. I assume he knows what he's talking about.

Tough to say without swing video but I'd guess you probably keep your weight too far back, and you get to the ball by casting at it. Basically you get your right elbow way straighter than it should be in the downswing and flip your wrists to get to the ball. (Similar motion to casting a fishing rod)

That was my swing pre-lessons. Takes a lot of reps and a lot of practice to get used to not straightening my right elbow during the swing, but that holds the angles and the power in the club so much better.

Thanks. That's what I found also. A free version wasn't available for the desktop. The only way to view the video is with the app. I wasn't even sure what the video looked like, just wanted to see our swings. Just seeing the before and after helped remind us of what we needed to work on. It's easy to forgot a few weeks, or a month later especially when it has been too cold out to practice anything.

Engaging pecs and shoulder stabilizers at address helps me when I get loose goosey arms.

I don't agree that the ball flight laws have been proven. Here is what I don't understand and maybe you can answer it for me. You said that the ball flight laws have been proven to be wrong yet you said that you used to think that when you wanted to hit a fade you would aim your feet left of the target and aim the face where you want the ball to finish. When you did this, the ball went from left to right like you intended it to so why has that been proven false? What does trackman say is happening when you hit a fade and what swing thought do you have then to hit a fade with the new laws? I have worked for the top instructors in the world and the only time we used trackman or launch monitors was for fitting people for clubs and we always went by the golf ball as the barometer. 99% of players slice the ball and they slice the ball because they come over the top with the face open putting left to right spin on the ball. You are saying that that's not what is happening when someone slices? If that's the case then how come everytime someone comes to me with a slice, I can fix him in 10 minutes by making a few simple adjustments?

What did he tell you to fix the swing path and how much of a difference did it make? In golf, what you feel like you are doing and what you are doing are two different things. Nobody knows what they are doing until they see it on video or see it on trackman. The problem is that golf has the right handed and left handed clubs backwards and they need to switch them. The current belief that right handed players should use the current right handed clubs is wrong but I don't see it changing anytime soon if ever. I have all my students who are right handed and are starting the game to buy left handed clubs. They always learn at a quicker rate and don't have the same issues that regular people do.

He did the pool noodle thing which was set up at a 45 degree angle in my swing path (not literally in it, but close enough so I could see it). So on my swing the focus was to make sure I was swinging under the noodle. My club path angle quickly went from over 8 degrees left of target to 3 degrees left and on some swings I was actually going right of target.

If you google the pool noodle thing it's pretty common.

Not sure I am getting this... are you suggesting new players learn opposite-handed (righties play golf as a lefty), or somehow using lefty clubs to swing right-handed? How would that even work?

The laws aren't new, they're just more accurately stated now due to extensive data analysis and math performed by the golf industry.

Club face = starting direction, club path = spin. There are some crossover effects about the face's relationship to the path regarding spin and starting direction.

So when ntnBO used to set up to the left with the face pointing at his target, he's swinging to the left, with his face slightly closed to the target (but open to the path), which produces cut spin. He's a good golfer with good face control, so his face is not overly closed to the path, which would produce a pull with an out-to-in club path, or overly open to the path, which would produce a slice on the same path.

The ball starts where the clubface is pointing, therefore in my old example if I did everything correctly, the ball would actually start at the target instead of along my stance.

The ball curves if the swing path is different from the club face angle. Therefore in my example, since my path was outside the club face angle, the ball curved left to right.

I used TM and launch monitors all the time when I was fitting and teaching. We worked with multiple PGA Tour players as well as the average golfer. It's a very necessary tool for fitting.

looking forward to following this one
there's a stupid amount of talent on that team

For some Reason Rachel Heck tilts me. Probably the whole Jesus this Jesus that.

should she change her name to Rachel Hell?

Whats up everyone, sorta new to 2p2 and just found the golf section, is it active a lot here or not so much? FWIW im a 9 index from Ontario anyone else getting to play soon?