what is your handicap and what is your home course like?? Feel like I would take the over on all of these in a bet.

And Ray Zee... breaking 75 with just a putter? On a joke course... maybe...

i was thinking of this recently... i had a much better short game when i was young and only had a pw and putter. now i have a whole set of wedges and a worse shot game. i think simplicity works with short game.

i just can't see that myself. the first 2 at least.

3 clubs i do think someone could shoot a really good score

I don't believe this. Not even one bit.

relevant to this thread

my current setup

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3w
3h
4-pw
gw
sw
lw
putter

i play off a 3.5 handicap and think that if i dropped my 3w,4,5,sw,gw i could still shoot within 2 shots of my average score

i've played a 3 clubs and putter tournament before and shot 81 with a 3h/7i/gw/putter


but i agree with previous posts saying that if you know your home course well enough and its playing conditions (winds etc) you could probably shoot close to your handicap if your a 2 handicap or less

yea and my comments are based on someone playing on a muni course without lots of problems. and also the player being a hustler and having played these proposition games and practiced a lot with the game he is making.

Does he get to hit from the ladies tee too?

I mean seriously, who cares that someone has learned how to blade a sand wedge 225 yards down a wide open fairway, then putt with it. Have them hit a 5 iron 230 yards of forced carry over water, then knock close from 90 yards to a front pin guarded by bunkers, where if you miss long, your dead with the same 5 iron. Now you've got my attention.

lol@ someone shooting 75 or less with just a putter. Might be the biggest pile of heap I've ever read on 2+2 and that's saying something.

And that's why the hustle works. Just from seeing Ray's posts around the site over the last few years, I can tell that he has been around the live gambling world for quite a while. As someone who practiced a bit with a putter from the lost club bin and could drive it 200+ regularly, I can see this being a thing. It's not like he said several people can do it, and it's not like he said it was on a championship course.

Outside of him saying that you'd only lose 3 strokes playing with one club I agree with most of what he says. I'm just saying who cares if someone can do these things on a straight forward muni. I don't play these. Its like me saying that I can shoot 75 at Torrey Pines, I did. BUT, theres a huge difference between doing the same thing in US Open conditions. I'm sure I could practice with my 8 year olds 7 iron enough to hit some pretty impressive shots on a course with no trouble, who cares.

With just their putter, there is nobody on the planet that can shoot 75 or less on a par 70. From any tee box.

straight up false.

Literally 0% chance.

Id love to see it. Im super skeptical too.

From any tee box is kinda ridiculous to say given I have seen some courses that are like 4500 yards with no hazards/rough from the up tees. Its not absurd to think that you could shoot below 75 with a putter there, but it feels like you could shoot more than 3 strokes better if you could use other clubs.

it depends on the player and his ability. an average player who likely cant hit single clubs many different distances accurately would not do well with less clubs.

ray, i'm semi-grunching... but are you talking about zero water (even little streams with a bit or water)? or are you assuming a player can over water provided it's only X yards? if so, what would that X yards be?

how far do you anticipate a guy can hit a putter from the fairway? i have no doubt that people can hit a putter a long way off the tee. i've seen sadlowski (obv special case) do it.

ties a little into something i said to my playing partner the other day... i said, "if i widen my stance, not sure i hit more good shots but my bad shots are straight and not that bad.... with quite narrow stance, some amazing shots but ball can basically go anywhere.".......... i'm assuming playing with putter only would mean you have very little variance on your shots which is good i think.

Based on personally seeing many people try it I would say this is false. Guys who enter our 3 club events (normal club players between 5 and 25 index) for fun thinking they'd never be able to do it well are typically surprised how close to their handicap they end up scoring

Depending on your swing mechanics, widening your stance might restrict your body rotation and swaying etc and keep the club square for longer around the impact area. Look up "Natural Golf".


A putter, outside of the lie angle not being really set up for full swings, is just a 4 to 9 degree golf club. The club itself doesn't inherently change your swing.



I don't know how often Ray Zee lurks in the golf forum, but I should note to him that at least one of the people calling BS on your claim is a very good teaching professional, not just some random guy on a poker forum

well thats what hustlers do and bust the skeptical. ive seen alot and bet on and done alot in my life.
i have first hand knowledge of my comments. when i was young at the golf course i got to see a guy bet a foursome of players that he could hit on his first shot over the water off the tee over 200 yards with his 4 wood reversed. he did it. and i got to see him do it more times. guys that also shoot around par with one club. no the average club pro couldnt do it without lots of practice and even then maybe not.
when a long distance driver friend hit a green on a par 4 at 280 yards with a sand wedge made me give pause. sure the green part was some luck but the distance wasnt.
i knew about the putter hustle when i was a kid hanging at the course and one of the caddies that played well, beat one of the members playing with a putter. and shot in the low 70,s to win. and it wasnt an easy course.

its the old maverick statement that went to the effect of -- if a guy wants to bet you he can make the jacks of spades jump out of the deck and wet your ear. and you bet be prepared for a wet ear.

yea bad boy, in my post #22 i said average players would play better when playing less clubs. i dont know where the break off is but it does work. they now play carefully and think and not go for the crazy shots almost all players try and do.

Sounds more like fairytales than hustling.

would i be surprised if a scratch + golfer could shoot under 75 on a 4500 yard track with no water hazards, deep green side bunkers, deep rough or small raised greens. probably not.

The main problem would be the putter being the same charistic from the 1st hole to putting out on hole 18. with all the different types of shots you would be hitting throughout a round you would be bound to dig the heel of the putter on a few shots which would no doubt weaken the neck of the putter