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Old 03-30-2012, 02:04 PM   #121
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Great job, its not above plane, but its getting closer. The Rickie Fowler picture still shows the biggest difference, he gets his hands inside and club head outside halfway back, your club head still sneaks inside (from the back view it goes to the left of your shoulder) very quickly. It is definitely still caused by the way you bend your wrists in the takeaway. I like that drill idea 'nih han' suggested.

By my count it was the 4th PW swing that was fat? You can hear it.
the bowing of the wrist is very exaggerated at the take away. at the top of your swing your shut and the club face points at the sky. your wrist shouldnt be bowed like that unless you have a very weak grip, or your dustin johnson. your wrist should be slightly cupped at the top if you have a strong grip. basically the same angle at address.
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Old 03-30-2012, 02:31 PM   #122
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lol i'm embarrassed that graeme actually watched my swing

practiced a bit today, i am 100% coming over the top. how to correct this? should i let my arms lag behind a bit on the downswing?
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Old 03-30-2012, 02:37 PM   #123
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lol i'm embarrassed that graeme actually watched my swing

practiced a bit today, i am 100% coming over the top. how to correct this? should i let my arms lag behind a bit on the downswing?
could be a couple reasons. if you start your swing with your hands, this can lead to over top motion. clearing your hips before upper body moves through impact is key for approach from the "inside." if your lower body hasn't cleared out of the way, or opened up enough, there is no room but to come over the top.
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Old 03-30-2012, 04:39 PM   #124
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ok cool, thanks, so my instinct was sort of right that when i fade it there's way too much arms going on with the downswing

should the first move on the downswing be an aggressive move with the right foot/hips? should it be like, a whip, where all of the strength comes from the legs/hips, and the arms are just along for the ride? or should the arms play somewhat of a role in accelerating the downswing?

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Old 03-30-2012, 05:28 PM   #125
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next time you're at the range see if there is a club pro there , he could probably tell you everything everyone of us is piecing together over weeks and months in about an hour or two imo.
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Old 03-30-2012, 05:37 PM   #126
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next time you're at the range see if there is a club pro there , he could probably tell you everything everyone of us is piecing together over weeks and months in about an hour or two imo.
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Old 03-30-2012, 06:44 PM   #127
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was actually being completely srs , but gl bro with your endeavors
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Old 03-30-2012, 07:31 PM   #128
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ok cool, thanks, so my instinct was sort of right that when i fade it there's way too much arms going on with the downswing

should the first move on the downswing be an aggressive move with the right foot/hips? should it be like, a whip, where all of the strength comes from the legs/hips, and the arms are just along for the ride? or should the arms play somewhat of a role in accelerating the downswing?

190 views on the video that graeme retweeted
sequencing the downswing properly, is key to generating enough clubhead speed to compress the ball. i tend to believe the swing should start from the ground up. like a discus thrower in the olympics. he doesnt just swivel his upper body first or he loses all power.

i start my downswing with a "bump" to my left hip. kinda starting it out toward the the target and very quickly unwinding it hard to the left. then the shoulder and arms follow and release through impact.
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Old 03-31-2012, 03:53 AM   #129
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Re: help me? (videos)

If you lie on your back and turn your hips to the right, and do a crunch that works the left oblique, that's pretty much what I feel happening thru the downswing.
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Old 03-31-2012, 10:04 PM   #130
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I wouldn't be overly concerned about a bit over the top until you stabilize your backswing / top position with some of the new stuff you are working on. You are going to end up less steep at the top and then its a new ballgame with downswing. Those nice abbreviated ones from the Graeme Mcdowell retweet look really good. Once the takeaway is ingrained in muscle memory I would encourage you to think about bringing the club low and back, it will feel shockingly low and your first instinct will be to pull the clubhead inside to accomplish it (fun, right?), so you have to then work on both at the same time, keep the club low but keep the clubhead outside.

When I am coming over the top it is 100% because I bring the club back too steep and lay it off, when I get it back properly its always push draw or block.
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Old 04-01-2012, 02:39 AM   #131
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Re: help me? (videos)

semi-grunching from last time I posted. People are making good comments, but overall the backswing is looking WAY better. Good job there. I would think that the next big thing would be incorporating an athletic move with the lower body (primarily your left hip/ butt) to start the downswing. At impact, your hips are square and your right foot is flat on the ground. Take a quick look at a TW swing on youtube to see how much crunch/ knee bend / hip turn he gets in the middle of the downswong.

Also I semi-disagree with GM about standing too close to the ball, unless what he means is put your toes two inches farther back and keep your body where it is.
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Old 04-01-2012, 02:41 AM   #132
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I like your whip metaphor. (Or is it a simile, lol?) NO conscious acceleration from the arms.
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Old 04-01-2012, 04:21 PM   #133
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I think it's on a better plane that helps the plane of the downswing... but to become optimal you have to hear what your boss is saying about the wrists... Change your action with the wrists. You should be pushing the club away from you never lifting. Pushing instead of lifting is how you get the right wrist action
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Old 04-01-2012, 04:36 PM   #134
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Or just do the dagolfdoc drill. Grip the club with just your thumb your index finger and your ring finger or middle finger and start your backswing. If the club feel really heavy you're doing it wrong.
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Old 05-16-2012, 05:29 PM   #135
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bump!

haven't updated in a while, but haven't quit. i noticed the same things over and over in the videos i was posting so i just haven't felt the need to update in a while until i started to solve some things.

been trying very hard to eliminate using my hands during the swing. my biggest leak is being too handsy, before if i had a big miss it was always a huge high slice caused by coming over the top when my hands and arms got moving before my lower body.

my miss is still usually a slice, but at least now it's lower and usually stays in play.

i've realized that becoming good at golf will be a very long journey, and a lot of it will have to do with fitness and flexibility. through experimentation and drills i have figured out that i literally can't get into the impact position i want to be in, even doing exactly what i want to do, because my hips and shoulders are simply way too tight. they are opening up little by little but i know flexibility will be an incremental process that i absolutely must work on every day if i want to be serious about this.

i'm playing my first tournament on june 10th. it's at royal links, a fairly tough course, but i'm looking forward to the competition environment. another big leak is losing focus during a round and then the hands go wild. easy to stay focused on the range when i'm alone.

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