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coming over the top can never be good i think. you can have an out to in swing without coming over the top. to me, over the top move is more of your lower body not moving while you upper body does all the swinging. when pitching, some lower body movement is needed. however you can start with more weight on your left side so its less likely to come over the top.

what can be a reason for that ?
I'm exactly like that and don't know why

ok, by over the top i just meant out to in. i guess i should make a video of chip shots because i don't know how severe it really is. but a lot of the time the ball hops right on the first bounce so i must be putting a lot of fade spin on them.

again, i don't really mind it, from reading ship it's posts he thinks a fade is optimal for the full swing and i see no reason to disagree with him. might as well put the same spin on my chip shots too, right?



in other news, does anyone have a good drill to help maintain wrist angle? for the last two days i've been trying to hold off my release and the results vary from dead shank, to low burning mega slice, to taking an enormous divot and not being able to swing through the ball. here's the best swing i managed today:

what i meant is that the path of your swing being "out to in" or "in to out" is relative to the target line.

someone who has a very natural in to out swing path when set up straight down the target line can adjust his stance (and grip) to create a out to in swing path relative to the target line. thus creating a fade. and vise versa. i believe that is what all this trackman and new ball flight laws are showing us.

so basically to make it more visually extreme: suppose you have someone with a very over the top, amatuer swing. however he owns that swing so he can hit 30 yd fades on command. he knows exactly where the bottom of his swing is and can consistantly repeat it. his swing is producing a out to in swing path relative to the target line.(and his club head should be slightly closed to target if he wants to fade it back from left of target.)

well in theory if you point this guy far enough right of target, regardless of his over the top swing, his path should eventually become "in to out" relative to target line.(albiet he might be aiming 90 degrees right of target.)then if you change his grip so the clubface is slightly closed to his swing path he should hit a draw or hook.

now i dont know how wise it is for someone to have to aim at the ball cleaner right of teebox with a closed club face to produce a right to left shot but in theory it should work.

9 iron



3 wood off the deck

how's my impact position looking?

Hey Augie, what are yyou using for the slow motion vids?

messed around trying to pause vid at your impact pos. seems like your 9i and 3w have same amount of foward shaft lean at impact. your 9i should have significantly more.

at downswing when left arm is parallel to ground you start to pull up out of your swing. this is prob where you lose your spine angle.

should try working on drills to retain your wrist angle on downswing. you might be lifting up as you approach impact because your straighting out your shaft too early and getting crowded. hands should be ahead of club head through impact. especially for short irons.

idk. im not any kind of authority on swing analysis. so i might no be able to use vid at impact properly, but one thing is certain. you are still loosing your spine angle prior to impact. that will cause alot of weak right shots that fade.

how far do you hit your 9i and what would you say is the general trajectory? also your 3w off the deck.

make sure you clear your hips first. trying that without proper sequencing can cause a nasty over the top move or yucky shanks. by clear hips first you give yourself room to bring the club from the inside. however clearing too fast can cause shanks too. lol @ golf

finally starting to make some progress on maintaining spine angle. still not perfect of course but very noticeable difference in the ball contact.



this drill helped me immensely. i tried it for the first time today (used my golf bag instead of a chair) and after a week or so of grinding this drill i bet i'll be in pretty good shape.

ah nice progress and that is a very helpful drill. if i could give you a better sense of the feeling of the various sequences in the downswing and keeping your spine angle, perhaps it will assist as well.

from your vids it seems like your downswing starts with the quick unwinding of the hips toward the left and upward. i think this movement somehow might be causing the loss of spine angle.

although you want the hips to unwind and lead your upper body, the proper movement or sensation, i believe, is more a downward-through-and then upward motion. almost like your gonna squat at first. as you intiate the downward and uncoiling of the hips, then the upper body, and then hands, you let the club head pass through the hitting zone. and only then the weight of the clubhead and swing momentum should carry you out of your spine angle. not the movement itself. if that make any sense.

in other words the follow through(or straightening up) is a direct reaction to where the club head has been swung. i think you let the club head pass through the hit zone and get that feeling up the momentum of the swing carry you out of your spine angle, you will subconciously keep your spine angle through impact.

i think you're right

actually it's funny you say that, because one of my old swing thoughts months ago was to drive the hips down instead of just sideways.

i didn't know why, but it helped me from slicing the ball. now i know why! from all the other things i had been thinking about i've forgotten to keep doing it! thanks for reminding me.

made another bit of progress today. i know i did because my lower back was sore after hitting only about 50 balls and i've had hardly any lower back soreness in the thousands of balls i've hit prior to today. still a long way to go, though.

one thing that helped today is realizing that to make the swing changes i need to i need to hit a lot of crappy shots, so i can't be afraid to shank it or hit two inches behind the ball because that means i'm getting closer to where i need to be.

best one yet. keep up the good work.

http://www.waynedefrancesco.com/2566...seung-yul-noh/

heres a nice swing to emulate. especially the one at around 7min mark.

notice his head position at and after impact. see how it stays down through impact and then as you see the club head come out from his left shoulder, only then does his head start to rise out from its position.

also his squencing of lower and upper body is silky.

yours seems to come right before impact. this website link has great vid analysis of pga pros and helped my swing alot. it might be helpful for you. also it seem like you take alot of vids and are serious about your swing. you should check out the golf v1 app. it allows you to compare your vids side by side with top pros. with some proper lines drawn in at certain set up positions you can really see what the pros are doing different in there swing from yours. helped me realize alot about my swing because sometimes feel doesnt tell you the truth about whats really going on in your swing.