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Old 09-10-2007, 09:46 PM   #76
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I think he was confused that 18 times 4 equals 64. New math?


That's how we get those + handicaps!
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Old 09-10-2007, 10:53 PM   #77
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Just wanted to say wow, there are some sticks on this site. If I have more time (too busy spamming ATF LDO) I would correlate this thread with the age thread to see when the best golfers started playing to confirm that indeed, the best players started in their pre-teens.

Also, thanks to dcasper for compiling/updating the list.
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Old 09-10-2007, 11:22 PM   #78
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I think he was confused that 18 times 4 equals 64. New math?
Yawn...72, who cares about my math.
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Old 09-10-2007, 11:28 PM   #79
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I honestly have no idea what the average 40 handicapper would shoot. I just hope that I'm not stuck behind them, ever.
We had a 38 in our club and he played quite often.
I remember scores ranging from 98 to 135.
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Old 09-10-2007, 11:35 PM   #80
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Just wanted to say wow, there are some sticks on this site. If I have more time (too busy spamming ATF LDO) I would correlate this thread with the age thread to see when the best golfers started playing to confirm that indeed, the best players started in their pre-teens.

Just remember who had the idea first.

p.s. I'll do it if someone comma delimits the data.
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Old 09-10-2007, 11:40 PM   #81
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Too late I already forgot.
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Old 09-11-2007, 05:34 AM   #82
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Bold = New/Updated

+2.8 - Shoot59
+2.4 - JTrout
+2.0 - K-Slay
+1.4 - LimitGod
+1.1 - westhoff
+0.9 - stadler
0.1 - black knight
1.0 - dzh90
1.5 - Butcho22
1.5 - bigsoonerfan
1.7 - tuq
1.7 - duvvard
2.1 - mediaslut
2.9 - dug
3.3 - Nick B.
6.0 - WLVRYN
6.2 - TripleH68
6.7 - BuckTeeth
7.0 - 41eater
7.8 - bonds
8.0 - fatshaft
9.0 - Brocktoon
9.1 - Here2gamble
9.7 - ArcticKnight
9.8 - larrylegend
10.5 - dcasper70
10.6 - tdrot
12.5 - Hey_Porter
13.0 - RainbowWarrior
13.2 - roy_miami
15.0 - BrunoThePug
16.0 - offTopic
16.4 - mvoss
17.0 - Ballzack
17.1 - Cornboy
17.6 - Troll_Inc
18.0 - AndysDaddy
18.1 - john kane
18.7 - dizong
20.0 - CalledDownLight
20.+ - JackInDaCrak
20.+ - 4Tay
21.9 - EDonk
22.8 - crosse91
25.0 - surfinillini
26.1 - yellowdoyle
29.1 - Wrym2
32.0 - Clarkmeister
33.0 - mad_hatter
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Old 09-11-2007, 05:56 AM   #83
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Re: *** Handicap Index - Official 2+2 Listing ***

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Just wanted to say wow, there are some sticks on this site. If I have more time (too busy spamming ATF LDO) I would correlate this thread with the age thread to see when the best golfers started playing to confirm that indeed, the best players started in their pre-teens.

Just remember who had the idea first.

p.s. I'll do it if someone comma delimits the data.
suuuuuure, let someone else do the heavy lifting...
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Old 09-11-2007, 01:16 PM   #84
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+2.8 - Shoot59
+2.4 - JTrout
+2.0 - K-Slay
+1.4 - LimitGod
+1.1 - westhoff
+0.9 - stadler
0.1 - black knight
1.0 - dzh90
1.5 - Butcho22
1.5 - bigsoonerfan
1.7 - tuq
1.7 - duvvard
2.1 - mediaslut
2.9 - dug
3.3 - Nick B.
6.0 - WLVRYN
6.2 - TripleH68
6.7 - BuckTeeth
7.0 - 41eater
7.8 - bonds
8.0 - fatshaft
9.0 - Brocktoon
9.1 - Here2gamble
9.7 - ArcticKnight
9.8 - larrylegend
10.5 - dcasper70
10.6 - tdrot
12.5 - Hey_Porter
13.0 - RainbowWarrior
13.2 - roy_miami
14.0 - TomE.
15.0 - BrunoThePug
16.0 - offTopic
16.4 - mvoss
17.0 - Ballzack
17.1 - Cornboy
17.6 - Troll_Inc
18.0 - AndysDaddy
18.1 - john kane
18.7 - dizong
20.0 - CalledDownLight
20.+ - JackInDaCrak
20.+ - 4Tay
21.9 - EDonk
22.8 - crosse91
25.0 - surfinillini
26.1 - yellowdoyle
29.1 - Wrym2
32.0 - Clarkmeister
33.0 - mad_hatter
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Old 09-11-2007, 01:40 PM   #85
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+2.8 - Shoot59
+2.4 - JTrout
+2.0 - K-Slay
+1.4 - LimitGod
+1.1 - westhoff
+0.9 - stadler
0.1 - black knight
1.0 - dzh90
1.4 - dvh
1.5 - Butcho22
1.5 - bigsoonerfan
1.7 - tuq
1.7 - duvvard
2.1 - mediaslut
2.9 - dug
3.3 - Nick B.
6.0 - WLVRYN
6.2 - TripleH68
6.7 - BuckTeeth
7.0 - 41eater
7.8 - bonds
8.0 - fatshaft
9.0 - Brocktoon
9.1 - Here2gamble
9.7 - ArcticKnight
9.8 - larrylegend
10.5 - dcasper70
10.6 - tdrot
12.5 - Hey_Porter
13.0 - RainbowWarrior
13.2 - roy_miami
15.0 - BrunoThePug
16.0 - offTopic
16.4 - mvoss
17.0 - Ballzack
17.1 - Cornboy
17.6 - Troll_Inc
18.0 - AndysDaddy
18.1 - john kane
18.7 - dizong
20.0 - CalledDownLight
20.+ - JackInDaCrak
20.+ - 4Tay
21.9 - EDonk
22.8 - crosse91
25.0 - surfinillini
26.1 - yellowdoyle
29.1 - Wrym2
32.0 - Clarkmeister
33.0 - mad_hatter
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Old 09-11-2007, 02:31 PM   #86
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Re: *** Handicap Index - Official 2+2 Listing ***

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Just wanted to say wow, there are some sticks on this site. If I have more time (too busy spamming ATF LDO) I would correlate this thread with the age thread to see when the best golfers started playing to confirm that indeed, the best players started in their pre-teens.

Also, thanks to dcasper for compiling/updating the list.
Bored at work...I only listed the people who are shown in both lists.

Age____Start____hdcp_____Name
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42_____10_____+2.4_____jtrout
24_____14_____+1.1_____westhoff
16_____10_____+0.9_____stadler
25_____3_______0.1_____black_knight
39_____17______1.4_____dvh
34_____2_______1.7_____tuq
24_____7_______3.3_____Nick B.
33_____12______6_______WLVRYN
39_____12______6.2_____TripleH68
38_____12______7_______41eater
41_____17______8_______fatshaft
36_____16______9.8_____larrylegend
37_____23______10.5____dcasper70
26_____7_______12.5____Hey_Porter
55_____10______13______Rainbow Warrior
24_____5_______15______BrunoThePug
39_____18______16______offTopic
27_____25______16.4____mvoss
36_____30______17.6____Troll
41_____22______18______AndysDaddy
26_____22______20+_____4Tay
26_____23______20+_____JackInDaCrak
23_____22______25______surfinillini
23_____20______33______mad_hatter
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Old 09-11-2007, 03:19 PM   #87
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oT,

Thanks. So all eleven of the sub-10 handicappers started no later than 17, and seven of us are 33 or older (meaning we've been at it a long time). Of the dozen that have a >10 HDCP, although to be fair the few at the bottom only recently started playing.

A curious thing is the gap between Nick B. and WLVRYN. It's nearly three shots and supports a theory I have that there is a certain plateau in the 6-8 handicap range that is hard to break through. Sometimes it takes years or sometimes it never happens. In fact if you took Nick out there would be a >4 shot difference between me and WLVRYN. No other such gap exists throughout the results.
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Old 09-11-2007, 03:23 PM   #88
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Age____Start____hdcp_____Name
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42_____10_____+2.4_____jtrout
24_____14_____+1.1_____westhoff
16_____10_____+0.9_____stadler
25_____3_______0.1_____black_knight
39_____17______1.4_____dvh
34_____2_______1.7_____tuq
24_____7_______3.3_____Nick B.
33_____12______6_______WLVRYN
39_____12______6.2_____TripleH68
38_____12______7_______41eater
41_____17______8_______fatshaft
36_____16______9.8_____larrylegend
37_____23______10.5____dcasper70
26_____7_______12.5____Hey_Porter
55_____10______13______Rainbow Warrior

34_____12______13.2____bdaddy*******

24_____5_______15______BrunoThePug
39_____18______16______offTopic
27_____25______16.4____mvoss
36_____30______17.6____Troll
41_____22______18______AndysDaddy
26_____22______20+_____4Tay
26_____23______20+_____JackInDaCrak
23_____22______25______surfinillini
23_____20______33______mad_hatter
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Old 09-11-2007, 04:16 PM   #89
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11.9 37 years old, started at age 7 or so. Was under 10 not long ago, but dang 5 year old twins and a 3 year old are cutting in to daddy's golf time.
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Old 09-11-2007, 05:11 PM   #90
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+2.8 - Shoot59
+2.4 - JTrout
+2.0 - K-Slay
+1.4 - LimitGod
+1.1 - westhoff
+0.9 - stadler
0.1 - black knight
1.0 - dzh90
1.5 - Butcho22
1.5 - bigsoonerfan
1.7 - tuq
1.7 - duvvard
2.1 - mediaslut
2.9 - dug
3.1 - ghostface
3.3 - Nick B.
6.0 - WLVRYN
6.2 - TripleH68
6.7 - BuckTeeth
7.0 - 41eater
7.8 - bonds
8.0 - fatshaft
9.0 - Brocktoon
9.1 - Here2gamble
9.7 - ArcticKnight
9.8 - larrylegend
10.5 - dcasper70
10.6 - tdrot
12.5 - Hey_Porter
13.0 - RainbowWarrior
13.2 - roy_miami
15.0 - BrunoThePug
16.0 - offTopic
16.4 - mvoss
17.0 - Ballzack
17.1 - Cornboy
17.6 - Troll_Inc
18.0 - AndysDaddy
18.1 - john kane
18.7 - dizong
20.0 - CalledDownLight
20.+ - JackInDaCrak
20.+ - 4Tay
21.9 - EDonk
22.8 - crosse91
25.0 - surfinillini
26.1 - yellowdoyle
29.1 - Wrym2
32.0 - Clarkmeister
33.0 - mad_hatter
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Old 09-11-2007, 05:38 PM   #91
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A curious thing is the gap between Nick B. and WLVRYN. It's nearly three shots and supports a theory I have that there is a certain plateau in the 6-8 handicap range that is hard to break through. Sometimes it takes years or sometimes it never happens. In fact if you took Nick out there would be a >4 shot difference between me and WLVRYN. No other such gap exists throughout the results.
I endorse your "gap" theory 100%. I have been between a 6.5 and 8.5 index for about six years, pretty much since I began playing regularly (~70 rounds a year) again. My regular game of 9-10 guys is full of several guys in more or less the same boat -- always bouncing in the high single-digits, never lower. And when I think about it, I know lots of guys who carry a 0-2 or 7-10, but relatively few 3-6s.

So I guess the next question is: why? Why is this plateau hard to break through?
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Old 09-11-2007, 06:03 PM   #92
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Age____Start____hdcp_____Name
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42_____10_____+2.4_____jtrout
24_____14_____+1.1_____westhoff
16_____10_____+0.9_____stadler
25_____3_______0.1_____black_knight
39_____17______1.4_____dvh
42____11_____1.5____BigSoonerFan
34_____2_______1.7_____tuq
24_____7_______3.3_____Nick B.
33_____12______6_______WLVRYN
39_____12______6.2_____TripleH68
38_____12______7_______41eater
41_____17______8_______fatshaft
36_____16______9.8_____larrylegend
37_____23______10.5____dcasper70
26_____7_______12.5____Hey_Porter
55_____10______13______Rainbow Warrior
34_____12______13.2____bdaddy
24_____5_______15______BrunoThePug
39_____18______16______offTopic
27_____25______16.4____mvoss
36_____30______17.6____Troll
41_____22______18______AndysDaddy
26_____22______20+_____4Tay
26_____23______20+_____JackInDaCrak
23_____22______25______surfinillini
23_____20______33______mad_hatter

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Old 09-11-2007, 06:54 PM   #93
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I just printed out our handicap list at the club.
128 men. Stronger than average golfers.

Handicap
+0.1 or better =4 golfers
0 to 3.0 = 8 golfers
3.1 to 6.0 = 19 golfers
6.1 to 9.0 = 23 golfers
9.1 to 12.0 = 18 golfers


That's 72 of the 128 at 12 or less!
Keep in mind that number does not include golfers that don't use the handicap system, most of which would be higher than 12.
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Age____Start____hdcp_____Name
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29____11____+2.8_____Shoot59
42_____10_____+2.4_____jtrout
24_____14_____+1.1_____westhoff
16_____10_____+0.9_____stadler
25_____3_______0.1_____black_knight
39_____17______1.4_____dvh
42____11_____1.5____BigSoonerFan
34_____2_______1.7_____tuq
24_____7_______3.3_____Nick B.
33_____12______6_______WLVRYN
39_____12______6.2_____TripleH68
38_____12______7_______41eater
41_____17______8_______fatshaft
36_____16______9.8_____larrylegend
37_____23______10.5____dcasper70
26_____7_______12.5____Hey_Porter
55_____10______13______Rainbow Warrior
34_____12______13.2____bdaddy
24_____5_______15______BrunoThePug
39_____18______16______offTopic
27_____25______16.4____mvoss
36_____30______17.6____Troll
41_____22______18______AndysDaddy
26_____22______20+_____4Tay
26_____23______20+_____JackInDaCrak
23_____22______25______surfinillini
23_____20______33______mad_hatter
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+2.8 - Shoot59
+2.4 - JTrout
+2.0 - K-Slay
+1.4 - LimitGod
+1.1 - westhoff
+0.9 - stadler
0.1 - black knight
1.0 - dzh90
1.5 - Butcho22
1.5 - bigsoonerfan
1.7 - tuq
1.7 - duvvard
2.1 - mediaslut
2.9 - dug
3.1 - ghostface
3.3 - Nick B.
6.0 - WLVRYN
6.2 - TripleH68
6.7 - BuckTeeth
7.0 - 41eater
7.8 - bonds
8.0 - fatshaft
9.0 - Brocktoon
9.1 - Here2gamble
9.7 - ArcticKnight
9.8 - larrylegend
10.5 - dcasper70
10.6 - tdrot
12.5 - Hey_Porter
13.0 - RainbowWarrior
13.2 - roy_miami
15.0 - BrunoThePug
16.0 - offTopic
16.4 - mvoss
17.0 - Ballzack
17.1 - Cornboy
17.6 - Troll_Inc
18.0 - AndysDaddy
18.1 - john kane
18.2 - gharp
18.7 - dizong
20.0 - CalledDownLight
20.+ - JackInDaCrak
20.+ - 4Tay
21.9 - EDonk
22.8 - crosse91
25.0 - surfinillini
26.1 - yellowdoyle
29.1 - Wrym2
32.0 - Clarkmeister
33.0 - mad_hatter
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brettbrettr 17.

Trying to get to 12 by end of next summer.
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Old 10-01-2007, 05:37 PM   #99
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Im 4,7

I have heard that the US HDC system is different from the european, in the way that a european HDC 3 player is better than a US HDC 3 player.

Can anyone clearify these rules, or will i be lynched now
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Old 10-02-2007, 10:55 AM   #100
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I have heard that the US HDC system is different from the european, in the way that a european HDC 3 player is better than a US HDC 3 player.
3.1 handicap here!!
I have heard this alright that it is easier to lower your handicap with the US system alright but i can't really comment as I don't know how this system works. In Ireland we use the CONGU system which I can explain if anyone wants me to. Could someone maybe explain the US system please?

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