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The exact same thing goes for dagolfdoc who recently posted about how well Brandel came off in a facebook argument and how impressed he was with him. Despite me asking him to support his claim with a post and two PMs he has yet to say anything
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It's not that you can't say Foley is wrong or Brandel was impressive and then provide no support
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I NEVER said anything about all players lowering.
Then how did we get into this discussion? You questioned my defense of BC - then tried to prove every statement I made wrong.
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He's obviously not a ****ing ****** nor is he the biggest idiot alive
Well, you said it. If BC, Ship, and myself are held to high standards about our quotes/posts, unfortunately, you are too. Just imagine if you were a tv announcer & rattled off that statement. You must remember, that statement alone is what caused this - I was not going to respond to someone using that tone and wording. You can say I've changed the questioning or whatever, and that you've apologized, but I chose not to reply because when someone uses that type of wording, it's obviously NOT going to be an intelligent, open minded discussion. That statement alone changed the tone & course of this debate - certainly putting me on the defense, not of BC's teaching, but of a person and my thoughts of him, which has somehow led to head lowering in the swing.
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You were right, the camera does move ever so slightly up as noted by the red lines below his feet on the stationary object that is his alignment stick. This teeny tiny movement does create the appearance the his head is lower that it would be had the camera not moved as compared to the red line that was once atop his head.
Yes, that & the fact that the background and shadows are inches different from on picture to the next.
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This is kinda where i wanted to lead the conversation when i started the thread. I too am a poker player that benefited greatly from the info available at twoplustwo. It really opened my eyes to the real fundamentals of poker and dispelled alot of the established literature on poker of the earlier era. The "old school" pros were and still are to a large degree very dismissive of the twoplustwo community and the more analytical, game theory approach to poker. I see that parallel going on with golf instruction today.
I believe from 20+ years ago to about 5 years ago, golf instruction has been stagnant. I dont think the avg golfers handicap has gone down in that time frame. I know as many golfers quit as new one start and thats not a sign of improving players. Thats because the info taught to avg golfers during that time was mostly garbage. Its
I 100% agree - (except about the poker part - I don't play poker or know anything about it). I'm known more as a "new school/high tech" instructor, and give over 100 seminars/year on technology, including the 2004 PGA Teaching & Coaching summit presenting "Teaching & Technology" - there are few instructors with more research based technology at their disposal than me, and I believe technology is huge part of improving - if used correctly. As far as the teaching side, I'm much more in Wayne's corner - I simply stated BC came off better than I expected & I gained some respect for him. I use technology such as 3-d motion capture, TrackMan, and high speed video in all my teaching, in addition to trying to tap into a players athletic ability. I think anyone who knows me (ask NXT) that calling me an "old school" teacher would be ridiculous. I'm only saying this because it seems the original point (why did I not reply to statements about BC) has become a who's right/who's wrong, old school vs new school debate - on which I think you might view me on the wrong side of that fence. I agree with BC on the fact that many times on TV (& in forums) we're asked to make "blanket" statements about the golf swing - I know NXT has watched me give hundreds of individual lessons (he can attest to my method and technology use), and during a private lesson you can get specific, and, outside of excess head movement, or forward (in front of the ball) head movement, I rarely address it - I believe it is an effect, not a cause.
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He is very careful to stress that he would never change something in someones swing that works well.
I agree again - I said the same thing earlier in this thread.
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Also, most importantly, it's mother ****ing Masters Week! As much as I might enjoy this at times, I think it would be great if Rob and I could call a truce or agree to disagree or whatever and move on. I've said a number of things that could have been said in a more adult, intelligent manner and I will make a better effort to do so in the future.
I also agree- my old assistant is coming in town today & the rest of my week is filled with work, golf, several bottles of wine, and watching the Masters. I won't have much time/energy to continue to debate Wayne/BC.
I don't know what that means.