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Old 04-15-2014, 01:13 PM   #1
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Brief PSA: Club Fitting

Last week I participated in my first-ever driver fitting. It was my first experience using a TrackMan, and it was a pleasant one. After 90 minutes of tinkering around with shafts / clubheads, I was able to see ~ 20 yard gains in the new "fitted" club vs my current driver.

The quote for my new optimized driver was roughly $950. Let's not forget that these places are incentivized to sell you the newest (and most expensive) shaft / club!

I politely declined to purchase the club that they recommended. With your fitting, comes a spreadsheet that includes all of the specifications of your optimized club.

I spent the next couple of days doing some research on golf shafts. My goal was to find one with similar specifications as the one that was recommended to me. Fortunately, I have some very knowledgeable friends who gave me guidance on which specs were key to shaft performance (tip flex, weight). Much like golf clubs, the shafts depreciate in value each year.

I was able to find around five shafts that had the specs I was looking for -- all roughly one to three years old. After some additional eBay hawking, I was able to get a sense of which clubs these shafts were typically found in. In my case, Fujikara's seemed common in TaylorMade drivers.

Next up was a trip to GolfSmith. By knowing what clubs typically have the shafts, it was relatively easy to filter out TM clubs and start there. I was lucky to find ~10 drivers that fit the profile of what I needed. After a few swings with each in the simulator, I selected my favorite, had a new grip put on it, and was out the door for only $40 after tax.

I might not have my fully optimized club, but I'm a lot closer than I was. With $900+ saved, it is well worth it to me.

Hopefully, my experience can help some of you to be resourceful, learn a bit about clubs along the way, and save some money!
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Old 04-15-2014, 02:04 PM   #2
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Re: Brief PSA: Club Fitting

hey, great stuff... i want to get the same done.... my dad did something similar and gained a ton of roll with new driver.

can you give us some flavour on your swing? what you were using and what you are now using?

also, did they suggest any changes to your swing? something i've always wondered about fitting is should they really fit you to a mediocre (or worse) swing?.... basically thinking specifically of angle of approach on driver

thanks again!!! p.s. thinking i'm going to go to a place in beaverton, outside portland oregon (redtail name??)
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Old 04-15-2014, 02:16 PM   #3
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One thing I'd like to add -- I don't mean for my OP to come across to imply these places are trying to rip you off. It's just a function of their inventory being the newest shafts/clubs which come at no discount.

As far as my profile -- I am probably ~ a 3 handicap at the moment.

Current Driver is one one of the older Titleist ones (I think 905s). Not sure what shaft is in it and I don't have the club handy, sorry.

Clubhead speed was around 98 and ball speed was around 150. Smash factor of 1.51-1.52 which is apparently pretty good.

Carry / Total distances were 225/245 respectively with my current driver. I think my launch was around 10 degrees and spin rate was around 3800 (though I may be off on those #s).

After a switch, I was able to get my launch around 12 degrees and spin around 2600. Carry went up to about 245-248 consistently.

They didn't change anything with my swing. I'd estimate that I hit about 70 drivers that day, ~5 with each club combination that was made for me.

Happy to answer any other questions you might have!
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Old 04-15-2014, 02:26 PM   #4
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Re: Brief PSA: Club Fitting

Find any good resources for shaft flex comparisons? I think this is a good route to go for me, because I'm trying to get a 44.5 inch driver this year, and I'm afraid of just taking a hail mary on one expensive shaft vs maybe being able to try out a couple for the same price (and likely same performance).
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Old 04-15-2014, 02:32 PM   #5
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Clubhead speed was around 98 and ball speed was around 150. Smash factor of 1.51-1.52 which is apparently pretty good.
Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but a perfect(maximum) smash factor is 1.5. It's physically impossible for a smash factor to be higher.

So (assuming true) I'm not sure what that means. Either you misremembered or the numbers spit out are not accurate.

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Old 04-15-2014, 02:37 PM   #6
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Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but a perfect(maximum) smash factor is 1.5. It's physically impossible for a smash factor to be higher.

So (assuming true) I'm not sure what that means. Either you misremembered or the numbers spit out are not accurate.

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Heh, ironically that is the one # I'm 100% certain of because the fitter remarked that 1.51-1.52 was exceptional (and that 1.53 was the absolute ceiling).
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Old 04-15-2014, 02:40 PM   #7
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I was 100% b/w 1.51-1.52 because the guy remarked that 1.53 was the ceiling.

I'm still a puss though
That's news to me. Would love to hear if the Trackman experts confirm this.

But yes, if you can't carry it 300+, you are a puss. At least as far as this forum goes! Where's Eman anyway?

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Old 04-15-2014, 03:00 PM   #8
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Re: Brief PSA: Club Fitting

I hit some drivers last week on Trackman and got a few 1.51s too, but mostly averaged around 1.45-1.48. (A shame my club speed was only 95!)

It is just the ratio of club speed to ball speed (so 100mph club speed & 150 ball speed = 1.50) so I don't see why 1.50 should be an absolute maximum, although I guess its probably difficult to exceed it by much with compliant clubs & balls.

According to trackman the tour average is 1.49
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Old 04-15-2014, 03:20 PM   #9
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Tour Smash Factor stats:

http://www.pgatour.com/stats/stat.02403.html

Tour best is 1.485
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Old 04-15-2014, 03:32 PM   #10
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Weird..
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Old 04-15-2014, 03:43 PM   #11
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Trackman doesn't measure clubhead speed perfectly, it attempts to measure CHS at the center of the driver.

The toe of the driver is moving significantly faster than the center, so it's possible to have the center of the clubhead moving 100 mph, hit the ball off the toe (which is moving at 103+ mph) and get ball speed of 153 mph, leading to a 1.53 smashfactor reading.
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Old 04-15-2014, 09:01 PM   #12
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Trackman doesn't measure clubhead speed perfectly, it attempts to measure CHS at the center of the driver.

The toe of the driver is moving significantly faster than the center, so it's possible to have the center of the clubhead moving 100 mph, hit the ball off the toe (which is moving at 103+ mph) and get ball speed of 153 mph, leading to a 1.53 smashfactor reading.
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Old 04-15-2014, 10:50 PM   #13
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Re: Brief PSA: Club Fitting

what was old loft vs new?

any insight on stiffness?... although assume they get really specific

20 yards extra carry on an already good drive is impressive
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Old 04-16-2014, 10:17 AM   #14
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Both driver heads have 9.5* on them.

Old launch was probably around 10* and new launch is around 12*. With my spin rate / ball speed, I was told that 12-12.5 would be optimal.

I'm not sure on the specifics on the shaft (both have stiff printed on them) but I will say that my ball flight has taken a noticeable change with the new club. Keep in mind that I haven't hit outside yet, so this is all based on shots in the same simulator.

New shot shape definitely seems a lot more piercing with a different type of lift. I'd almost compare it to the first few seconds when you throw a paper airplane, how it sort of just rises (but doesn't balloon). I'm playing for the first time in a few days so I'll be sure to report back with a specific analysis of the difference in clubs.
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Both driver heads have 9.5* on them.

Old launch was probably around 10* and new launch is around 12*. With my spin rate / ball speed, I was told that 12-12.5 would be optimal.

I'm not sure on the specifics on the shaft (both have stiff printed on them) but I will say that my ball flight has taken a noticeable change with the new club. Keep in mind that I haven't hit outside yet, so this is all based on shots in the same simulator.

New shot shape definitely seems a lot more piercing with a different type of lift. I'd almost compare it to the first few seconds when you throw a paper airplane, how it sort of just rises (but doesn't balloon). I'm playing for the first time in a few days so I'll be sure to report back with a specific analysis of the difference in clubs.
In the summer a couple of NCAA guys hit at my range. Their drives defy gravity/logic
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