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04-23-2012, 02:55 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Oct 2008
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Re: "Amateurs should always putt whenever possible."
Im a huge fan of using one club. Not saying that I always do it because I use to practice short game a ton and learn alot of different shots but anyone who I ever help that isnt under a 10 handicap I would always advocate using 1 club. I use to do it and it definitely works.
As far as the putter, I always use it if its applicable to the situation. Would much rather putt than chip if given the opportunity and Im not even that great of a putter
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04-23-2012, 03:06 PM
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#47
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jan 2012
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Re: "Amateurs should always putt whenever possible."
Also, I think part of the reason I favor chipping over putting has to do with the course that I grew up playing (and to some extent the courses I play now). I grew up playing a rugged rural muni course. Not well maintained, ground conditions were inconsistent at best, and putting for further than a few feet off the green could have disastrous results. Even now, the public courses here seem to not like mowing and the fairway is often long enough for the ball to bury down in it. I'm sure putting is much better at a manicured country club.
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04-23-2012, 05:08 PM
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#48
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grinder
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Ireland
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Re: "Amateurs should always putt whenever possible."
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Originally Posted by Everlastrr
Oh comon Reid these part time amateurs can easily manipulate a 7 iron to act like a SW and vice versus. Amateurs these days are so much better than in the past.
BO or Ship please save this thread ASAP before I have an aneurysm!
OK if you play 5 times a year and don't practice 1 club is probably better otherwise NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO....
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Just to be clear, are you saying you should use 6/7/8/9/PW/52/56/60/64 (up to 9 clubs) depending on the situation...
Or are you saying use 3 clubs like 8iron, 52, 60?
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04-23-2012, 05:57 PM
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#49
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: May 2008
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Re: "Amateurs should always putt whenever possible."
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Originally Posted by NxtWrldChamp
The absolute best thing an amateur could do is to learn proper chopping/pitching technique and then from there learn how use ball position to alter the trajectory. You don't have to "hood" a wedge to hit a lower chip shot. Just change the ball position, further back for lower shots and forward for higher shots. Nothing else needs to change, you can make the same move and produce significantly different shots.
I generally agree with getting the ball onto the ground as soon as possible and will alter what shot I choose to play based on that.
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Moving the ball position around for a guy that is flipping at it isn't going to result in more catastrophic mis-hits than just changing the tool in his hand and keeping the ball in one spot?
I'm sure Doc will agree with you. I'm sure you're both in the same school of thought on this. I'm just surprised, I guess.
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04-23-2012, 05:59 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: May 2008
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Re: "Amateurs should always putt whenever possible."
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Originally Posted by LygerWon
Just to be clear, are you saying you should use 6/7/8/9/PW/52/56/60/64 (up to 9 clubs) depending on the situation...
Or are you saying use 3 clubs like 8iron, 52, 60?
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Use whatever club fits the situation. Of course, someone with more experience is going to be better at making the proper selection based on the fine-tuning things like lie, the way the rough is laying and how you think the club will get through, the intended landing area, etc...
Ugh. let me get some MS Paint up in here. I'll be right back...
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04-23-2012, 06:20 PM
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#51
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Pittsburgh
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Re: "Amateurs should always putt whenever possible."
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Originally Posted by Everlastrr
I'm happy to crush anyone in this debate. Bring'em on.
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Crush anyone? All you've offered is a made up number of 20% and a lot of condescension not backed up by any substance.
FWIW I am a 1 club for 90% of shots within 50 yards kinda guy. I especially think this is much better way if you are like a lot of high or mid handicappers that have giant club head game improvement short irons and Vokey wedges or equivalent. It is just much easier to have decent feel with the wedge.
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04-23-2012, 06:46 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Feb 2008
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Re: "Amateurs should always putt whenever possible."
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Originally Posted by ReidLockhart
Moving the ball position around for a guy that is flipping at it isn't going to result in more catastrophic mis-hits than just changing the tool in his hand and keeping the ball in one spot?
I'm sure Doc will agree with you. I'm sure you're both in the same school of thought on this. I'm just surprised, I guess.
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That's why I said the best thing to do is to work on your technique with 1 club, learn how to properly use the bounce and loft of the wedge around the green and then work on changing the trajectory with the ball position.
Just using more clubs to hit different shots with poor technique isn't helping anyone.
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04-23-2012, 07:04 PM
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#53
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Dec 2003
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Re: "Amateurs should always putt whenever possible."
I basically have 3 shots I can hit with a 56. A regular pitching motion from just behind my front foot, a low check and run from behind my back foot, and a halfway open face shot. I practice these a lot off all sorts of lies and am real consistent with my balance and low point for each swing. I can't think of the last time I hit a shot less than 20 yards fat or the last time bladed anything other than the open face shot. I have practiced and would like to learn a smooth bump and run 8 iron but my distance control is nowhere near as good as it is with the wedge from back behind my foot. I attribute this to the 8 iron being a big cavity back club (which I benefit greatly from on full shots)
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04-23-2012, 08:21 PM
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#54
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Dec 2005
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Re: "Amateurs should always putt whenever possible."
I hit all my chips with sand wedge unless I feel like I need to fly more rough/fringe and maybe go with the lob wedge. I tried everything from 9i, PW, SW, AW, LW and found the SW felt best and was most consistent. Open stance, feet about 2 inches apart and parallel to eachother. Ball about 2-6 inches behind back foot. 90%+ weight on left (front) foot. No wrist break. Turn back by rotating shoulders only, turning back more for a longer chip and less for shorter chip and then just make sure I accelerate through the ball. I make sure arms are fully extended before takeaway and also set the wrist a little such that my hands are well ahead of the clubface. But no wrist break during swing.
It's one of my best shots and way better than lag putting from fringe that's for sure. I do, however, have some issues with various uneven lies around the green which obv. happen more than I'd like. But on level lies I feel very confident I can get it closer to the pin than with any other motion or club.
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04-23-2012, 08:44 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Atlanta
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Re: "Amateurs should always putt whenever possible."
yea not surprised you have issues with uneven lies when you have no wrist break.
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04-23-2012, 09:43 PM
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#56
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Dec 2005
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Re: "Amateurs should always putt whenever possible."
I have wrist break on pitches, they just aren't nearly as accurate as chips.
I notice pros break their wrist when they chip but anytime I do that it brings trouble into the picture. I am a lot more consistent if all I have to do is turn my shoulders.
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04-23-2012, 10:59 PM
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#57
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banned
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 74
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Re: "Amateurs should always putt whenever possible."
THey only **** their wrists on the way back, they're holding the angle and don't release after contact
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04-23-2012, 11:51 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 275
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Re: "Amateurs should always putt whenever possible."
NXT is actually talking about something different.. If you're learning how to chip, using one club is probably best while practicing and using that club while playing as well. I saw Padraig giving a playing lesson at the PGA Championship, and he was saying all amateurs should just learn with their pitching wedge.
If you're just a casual player that doesn't practice much , then I don't see how this advice is necessarily best.. Isn't this why we have different lofted clubs to begin with? That said, I have pretty bad feel with my wedges over 52*.
for me, when I was playing a lot, I used to practice chipping a lot, and i was quite confident around the greens. I felt when I had the wedge in my hands that I actually had a shot at sinking the chip.. Although unrealistic, that's how I felt.. Also, 99.9% of my rounds are practice rounds, and like NXT said, it's more fun chipping, and I also think it builds my confidence and skill level.. for the typical bogey golfer tho, no one's gonna argue with haney's advice.
-- Pound it.
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05-14-2012, 04:53 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 2,156
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I have found that when I am in the rough surrounding the green I use my hybrid to putt out of it. Works for me and do not have to worry about skulling it.
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05-15-2012, 12:44 AM
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#60
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: 1 part Orlando, 1 part Dallas
Posts: 3,876
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Re: "Amateurs should always putt whenever possible."
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Originally Posted by Peeda
chipping with a 8 or 9 when you can do it is less error prone.. if you screw up, thin shots don't sail the green as much, fat stubs usually are not as bad either, it makes it feel more like a putt which most people are at least ok at.
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This. This. This.
8 iron and treat it like a long putt. I actually prefer it to putting when I can; for some reason I can control the speed easier. I guess that means I need to practice putting more.
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