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06-19-2016 , 07:28 PM
Regardless of the eventual ruling or the tournament result, it is clear that DJ is one of those people who will never leave the eye of the storm.
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06-19-2016 , 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
This is one of the worst things I have seen in sport.
To be fair, a college football team did once get half of a national championship after winning a game on 5th down.
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06-19-2016 , 07:42 PM
I can't remember the last time I saw a guy wearing a John 3:16 shirt at a tournament. Used to be commonplace with the rainbow wig guy 20 years ago.
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06-19-2016 , 07:45 PM
Lowry making things a lot easier for DJ there, penalty or not

EDIT: and there goes Piercy
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06-19-2016 , 07:52 PM
It's over now, everyone faded so hard.
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06-19-2016 , 08:06 PM
LEGENDARY CAMERAWORK.
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06-19-2016 , 08:12 PM
Now 3rd in the OWGR, ahead of Rory.
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06-19-2016 , 08:19 PM
It would be epic if Dustin should say **** you about the one shot penalty - how can they rule it so quickly afterwards?

I guess he has just taken it and the win, but if he said no and signed for his score without the penalty, the resulting ****storm would be epic and Dustin would be the hero of the day.
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06-19-2016 , 08:23 PM
God I hope everyone boycotts and bashes the Usga for years to come, what an embarrassing show of utter stupidity.
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06-19-2016 , 08:28 PM
Happy for DJ. Having an incredible year and finally got the monkey off his back. Thank god the USGA's stupidity didn't end up affecting the outcome.
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06-19-2016 , 08:29 PM




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06-19-2016 , 08:46 PM
Chamblee defending usga. Worst commentator to ever live.
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06-19-2016 , 08:51 PM
I guess DJ called the official over to tell him "I did not cause the ball to move", so he could play the ball without replacing it? I don't see any other reason because USGA was going to review it anyway.

Maybe the official should have immediately replied to DJ "We'll review it and you will have a chance to state your position after the round."

I don't think it's fair of DJ to assume the official can make a ruling at that moment without aid of video review and DJ stating his case.
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06-19-2016 , 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb
To be fair, a college football team did once get half of a national championship after winning a game on 5th down.
As a Mizzou grad who was actually at that game, I will always hate hate hate Bill McCartney and the cheating ****s known as the Colorado Buffaloes.
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06-19-2016 , 09:11 PM
Wait who made that post? There's no signature!!! I'm so confused!
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06-19-2016 , 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Roger Clemens
I guess DJ called the official over to tell him "I did not cause the ball to move", so he could play the ball without replacing it? I don't see any other reason because USGA was going to review it anyway.

Maybe the official should have immediately replied to DJ "We'll review it and you will have a chance to state your position after the round."

I don't think it's fair of DJ to assume the official can make a ruling at that moment without aid of video review and DJ stating his case.
The bold is odd. If you call an official over and tell him what happened, and the official makes a decision on the spot, that should be it. Why should Justin question the official's authority to make a decision? That is why he is there. That is his job.

I think a better stance, and I know it is flippant, is that DJ should have told the 2nd official to piss off. He should have said I asked for a ruling and got one. If you guys needs to get your act together and make sure officials make correct rulings, then work on that. But your official ruled. Case closed.

I would have more respect for the USGA if they said the ruling may not have been correct, but the matter is closed. We cant have situations in which decisive rulings are made by on-course officials and the overturned later.
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06-19-2016 , 09:39 PM
If Dustin got a one stroke penalty for moving the ball, and then he played it from the place where it laid to rest, without replacing it, then would he not incur a two shot penalty for playing the ball from a wrong place a-la Tiger in the Masters a few years ago?

I thought about that at the time and I would have added 2 on to be sure. If the scenario I made is still true, he could be DQ'd for signing for a wrong score.

I might be wrong here as I am not as hot on the rules as I was, and haven't kept as up to date since I was a comp sec, so please correct me if I am wrong.

Last edited by MikkeD; 06-19-2016 at 09:49 PM. Reason: If 1 shot extra was because he hit the ball and it caused it to move backwards, then ok for 1, but it was a stroke, not a pen
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06-19-2016 , 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by MikkeD
If Dustin got a one stroke penalty for moving the ball, and then he played it from the place where it laid to rest, without replacing it, then would he not incur a two shot penalty for playing the ball from a wrong place a-la Tiger in the Masters a few years ago?

I thought about that at the time and I would have added 2 on to be sure. If the scenario I made is still true, he could be DQ'd for signing for a wrong score.

I might be wrong here as I am not as hot on the rules as I was, and haven't kept as up to date since I was a comp sec, so please correct me if I am wrong.
True, except he had a rules official tell him to play it as it lies. You can't further penalize him for doing what the official tells him to do.

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06-19-2016 , 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by pokeraz
True, accept he had a rules official tell him to play it as it lies. You can't further penalize him for doing what the official tells him to do.
OK, that seems fair.
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06-19-2016 , 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ntnBO
As a Mizzou grad who was actually at that game, I will always hate hate hate Bill McCartney and the cheating ****s known as the Colorado Buffaloes.
As a Colorado grad all I have to say is

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06-19-2016 , 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ArcticKnight
The bold is odd. If you call an official over and tell him what happened, and the official makes a decision on the spot, that should be it. Why should Justin question the official's authority to make a decision? That is why he is there. That is his job.

I think a better stance, and I know it is flippant, is that DJ should have told the 2nd official to piss off. He should have said I asked for a ruling and got one. If you guys needs to get your act together and make sure officials make correct rulings, then work on that. But your official ruled. Case closed.

I would have more respect for the USGA if they said the ruling may not have been correct, but the matter is closed. We cant have situations in which decisive rulings are made by on-course officials and the overturned later.
The trend seems to be using video review in major sporting events to "get the call right".

The official brought to the scene, who (I assume) did not witness the infraction, was clearly incapable of making any kind of qualified ruling. That's why the official should have responded as I stated above.

If video review was not to be used, then DJ could simply claim to his fellow competitor(s) that he did not cause the ball to move, and it would be decided at that point, i.e. either take the 1 shot penalty and replace the ball, or play it as it lies.

There really is no ostensible purpose of the official other than what I stated above (not punish DJ further for playing ball from wrong spot).

Also, if this were match play then the ruling would have been official after the hole was completed. Maybe they should skip video review and do it like match play.

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06-19-2016 , 11:11 PM
Golf is a game of honour. DJ says he didn't move the ball, that is the end.

USGA is a total joke.
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06-19-2016 , 11:16 PM
Based on the rules it is not enough for the player to simply state "I did not move the ball".

There must be weight of evidence to indicate there was a more likely cause of the ball moving.

DJ said he did not "address it" to Westwood. The official asked DJ if he grounded the club, DJ responded "no". In fact DJ did not ground the club BEHIND the ball, but he did ground the club BESIDE the ball. So DJ was not exactly truthful to the official.
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06-19-2016 , 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
Golf is a game of honour. DJ says he didn't move the ball, that is the end.

USGA is a total joke.
This.

Plus the ball actually moved backwards. How could DJ have even caused that?
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06-19-2016 , 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
Chamblee defending usga. Worst commentator to ever live.
Sounded to me he was ticked at the USGA rules guys in the studio.
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