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Old 02-09-2017, 01:09 PM   #151
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I agree with the behavior and inappropriate language comment, but to label everybody who collects autographs scum is pretty stupid. Way to alienate some of your fan base.
he did this?
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Old 02-09-2017, 01:49 PM   #152
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No, he labeled the *******s who travel around with bags of **** and pop up the entire ****ing year at multiple events constantly asking front and center for autographs and then turn around and sell them as scum.

Which they are.

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Old 02-09-2017, 02:21 PM   #153
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No, he labeled the *******s who travel around with bags of **** and pop up the entire ****ing year at multiple events constantly asking front and center for autographs and then turn around and sell them as scum.

Which they are.

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lol, and how do you think there is an industry based on people who collect autographs. I'm not able to travel to every event, but I will certainly pay a decent price for those autographs. Somebody has to do the dirty work.
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Old 02-09-2017, 02:56 PM   #154
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Ever hear of "writing a letter?"
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Old 02-09-2017, 04:06 PM   #155
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Those guys were scum. At least Jordan didn't go all OJ on them.
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Old 02-09-2017, 05:05 PM   #156
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I remember getting something signed as a 16 year old and feeling really awkward about it

lol @ collecting autographs as a full blown adult
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Old 02-09-2017, 07:49 PM   #157
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pgatour needs a "kids with an adult" autograph area........ grown people getting autographs is lame - i used to collect autographs as kid so i'm not anti-autograph - and in these cases commercial.

every year watching this i'm wondering the handicaps presented are legit.. two senior execs - who play at olympic in san francisco - were presented as 2 and 3 handicaps. just didn't seem to line up with reality..... even those guys are legit analytical low handicappers there is no room for those guys to have a large positive surprise, whereas athletic younger celebs with a 14 handicap who don't play/practice that much are candidates for a big positive surprise......... i also think part of the reason that jack lemmon never made the cut is that he was worse than an 18 handicap but they limit it to 18 strokes.
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Old 02-09-2017, 07:50 PM   #158
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are these adult autograph hounds semi-retired men pursuing a lucrative hobby? or can you actually make a living travelling the country with the golfers?

i have tons of potentially valuable autographs - joe dimaggio, willie mays etc. - but how would i convince anyone they actually signed the stuff?
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Old 02-09-2017, 09:33 PM   #159
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pgatour needs a "kids with an adult" autograph area........ grown people getting autographs is lame - i used to collect autographs as kid so i'm not anti-autograph - and in these cases commercial.

every year watching this i'm wondering the handicaps presented are legit.. two senior execs - who play at olympic in san francisco - were presented as 2 and 3 handicaps. just didn't seem to line up with reality..... even those guys are legit analytical low handicappers there is no room for those guys to have a large positive surprise, whereas athletic younger celebs with a 14 handicap who don't play/practice that much are candidates for a big positive surprise......... i also think part of the reason that jack lemmon never made the cut is that he was worse than an 18 handicap but they limit it to 18 strokes.
A 2 or 3 handicap can easily shoot 90+ on a hard course in competition if they are nervous. I once shot 50-35 in a tournament when I was a 1. Stuff happens...
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Old 02-09-2017, 10:00 PM   #160
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I remember getting something signed as a 16 year old and feeling really awkward about it

lol @ collecting autographs as a full blown adult
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Old 02-09-2017, 11:40 PM   #161
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are these adult autograph hounds semi-retired men pursuing a lucrative hobby? or can you actually make a living travelling the country with the golfers?

i have tons of potentially valuable autographs - joe dimaggio, willie mays etc. - but how would i convince anyone they actually signed the stuff?


To give you an idea, the Trump rally's he signed a ton of stuff and you could sell uncertified auto's for around $300 an item. Get it authenticated by PSA and it's at least $900.

As for in person auto's, you can go to any decent size memorabilia show and PSA or JSA will authenticate signatures on site.

I try to buy up a lot of uncertified auto's because I have a pretty good idea if they are real or not and then I get them certified. I don't sell anything, I'm building a nice collection for my 2 sons.
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Old 02-10-2017, 12:44 PM   #162
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The appeal of a person's signature to anyone but a kid eludes me. Like if you pay $300 for Trump's signature, do you just stare at it and say "Omg, his hand was right near this very piece of paper!"

I can see with memorabilia like old baseball cards etc., at least there is a nostalgia factor. Don't get autographs at all and sorry but these professionals autograph hounds are right down there in the gutter along with the paparazzi who stake out celebrity's kids at the schoolyard.
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Old 02-10-2017, 01:02 PM   #163
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A 2 or 3 handicap can easily shoot 90+ on a hard course in competition if they are nervous. I once shot 50-35 in a tournament when I was a 1. Stuff happens...
Once shot a 94 in a tournament as a 1.9.

PGA Tour Live footage right now is just Beef talking soccer on the 16th (?) tee because there's too much fog to play their tee shots. He's talking with Etulian's caddie.

Now he's pointing out which trees he can and cannot see, and they're like 40 yards away.
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Old 02-10-2017, 01:13 PM   #164
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Pussies. They haven't moved the green from yesterday.
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Old 02-10-2017, 01:30 PM   #165
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A 2 or 3 handicap can easily shoot 90+ on a hard course in competition if they are nervous. I once shot 50-35 in a tournament when I was a 1. Stuff happens...
have you seen their swings? execs from chevron and evercore but i doubt they'll be on tv again as they'll be playing the other 2 courses the next 2 days.

i seriously question whether they have the swing speed for those handicaps... these players are not jerry yang from yahoo who has a very nice swing - same with oliver hudson although alot younger than the 3 execs i mentioned.

can you get an artificially low handicap playing the same course, same tees multiple times a week? i guess you could argue it's not artificial but it won't hold up on another course
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Old 02-10-2017, 01:31 PM   #166
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here's question,

how low a handicap can you have when you can only make 380 yard holes in two shots? and obv the 380 yard holes are everything you have but of course you're probably pretty good at it.
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Old 02-10-2017, 01:55 PM   #167
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It would depend on the course rating and slope of the tees you play on the courses you play. I can imagine someone who shoots well on a 6100 yard course who drives it ~ 210 who therefore maintains a respectable handicap, who would necessarily shoot an extra ten to twelve strokes just because almost every par 4 functions as a par 5 on a longer course.

Lame example, but there's a municipal course in Los Angeles called Westchester. It's 4339 yards, par 64, rating of 60.5 and slope of 89. It's ridiculously easy. It's so easy that shooting a -2 62 results in a differential of 1.9 (2 strokes over "scratch"). The golfer you describe could easily score well at that course and rack up low rounds, maintaining a handicap of like 2-6 or something with no problem, then transition to a course where every single par 4 is unreachable and shoot "blow up" rounds every single time.

Theoretically, the course rating and slope system should mitigate these differences, but in practice it really doesn't. That golfer would be shooting 85s and higher all day at a longer course, which would translate to something like a 12-15 handicap.

To your point, I do not see how that player could maintain a single digit handicap on normal length courses. I do see how that player could "game" the handicap system and produce a low handicap that could not travel.

EDIT: Also, the handicap system calculates your potential by selecting your best rounds - not your overall average - and then assuming that your potential is marginally better than even the selection of your best rounds.

The formula to determine your differential score for a particular round is:
((Actual Score - Course Rating) * 113) / Course Slope

Then round to the nearest tenth
The formula to determine your handicap depends upon how many official rounds you have recorded, but assuming you have 20 it is:
Take the average of your lowest ten differentials, and then multiply that number by .96

Instead of rounding, just delete all digits after the tenths.
That multiplication of the average of your ten lowest differentials by .96 is where the system assumes that a golfer is actually a little better than the average of their lowest differentials.

Also remember that you're just tossing out the worst differentials.

EDIT 2: Obv this is only the USGA system, I don't know what other countries do.

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Old 02-11-2017, 01:59 PM   #168
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I remember getting something signed as a 16 year old and feeling really awkward about it

lol @ collecting autographs as a full blown adult
This.
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Old 02-11-2017, 03:20 PM   #169
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Probably an unpopular opinion but Bill Murray could not be less funny on the golf course. Worst part of Pebble Beach coverage is watching CBS obsessively follow him around the course.
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Old 02-11-2017, 05:06 PM   #170
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Probably an unpopular opinion but Bill Murray could not be less funny on the golf course. Worst part of Pebble Beach coverage is watching CBS obsessively follow him around the course.
i agree................... it's all these people pretending he's funny. i guess i'd say he's mildly amusing at best.

oh canada.... nick taylor T2nd

still perplexed at some of these handicaps - both high and low.....a few old guys with very low handicaps and ugly swings. and then some very very smooth powerful swings with high handicaps - i should note not just the tv coverage. i googled some people like wahlberg, gretzky etc........ how does the greatest hockey player in history, lives on a country club, son in law best player in world etc. etc. not have a lower handicap?
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Old 02-11-2017, 07:39 PM   #171
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JFC what an implosion by Day letting Spieth run off with it
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Old 02-11-2017, 07:48 PM   #172
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Timberlake can play!
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Old 02-11-2017, 08:01 PM   #173
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He sure can.

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Old 02-11-2017, 08:29 PM   #174
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This has to be the worst tournament to watch, because CBS seems obligated to show these ****ty amateurs, as well as Bill Murray
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Old 02-11-2017, 08:38 PM   #175
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Kelly Rohrbach seems like a good golfer.
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