UCB, length isn't everything. Weight is important too.

It's been a par 5 in past events, it's playing as a 520 yard par 4 this time.

It's more about width than anything

lee janzen on this year's tourney. he likes kuchar and luke donald. too bad janzen didn't get an exemptn although i'm not suremhow many they give out

i should have said i would do kevin na at 150-1. i don't see him listed in the guys up to 125 to 1

Interesting poll in this week's SI asked of >50 tour pros. Here are some highlights:

Beside yourself, who would you like to see win the U.S. Open?

Phil Mickelson 22% (suck it haters obv)
Tiger Woods 11%
Luke Donald 7%
Lee Westwood 6%
Jonathan Byrd 6%

Based on course setup, which major is...

...the fairest

PGA 41%
Masters 28%
British 24%
U.S. Open 7%

...most difficult

U.S. Open 87%
Masters 5%
British 4%
PGA 4%

Who won the 1998 U.S. Open at Olympic?

Lee Janzen 87%
Payne Stewart 6%
Johnny Miller 1%
Don't know 6%

Who won the 1987 Open at Olympic?

Scott Simpson 37%
Curtis Strange 7%
Hale Irwin 6%
Lee Trevino 6%
Johnny Miller 4%
Payne Stewart 4%
Lanny Wadkins 4%
Don't know 28%

Who beat Ben Hogan in a playoff in 1955 at Olympic?

Jack Fleck 24%
Sam Snead 17% (lol)
Arnold Palmer 9%
Ken Venturi 7%
Don't know 35%

Should the U.S. Open change its 18-hole playoff format?

No 64%
Yes 36%

What is your favorite U.S. Open course?

Pebble Beach 26%
Bethpage Black 13%
Olympic 13%
Pinehurst No. 2 9%
Congressional 6%
Olympia Fields 6%
Shinnecock Hills 6%
Winged Foot 6%

Least favorite?

Oakmont 15%
Bethpage Black 13%
Shinnecock Hills 11%
Pebble Beach 9%
Southern Hills 9%
Torrey Pines 9%
Congressional 6%
Pinehurst No. 2 6%

What is the best course to never host the U.S. Open

Pine Valley 19%
Cypress Point 11%
Augusta National 7%
L.A. Country Club 7%
Quail Hollow 7%
Riviera 7% (it has hosted a U.S. Open)
Sahalee 6%

Do you like the USGA's graduated rough concept?

Yes 91%
No 9%

All should have said they want tiger to win because it would bring the sport more $$

Awesome stuff

Kevin Na's at 100 to 1 here:

http://www.vegasinsider.com/golf/odds/futures/

Y.E. Yang at 125/1 seems nice.

sorry, here's the lee janzen interview i meant to post

http://www.golf.com/tour-and-news/qu...ion-lee-janzen

@ tuq's post... even as a spectator I hate Oakmont. What an abortion, who gives a **** about the damn church pews

http://blogs.golf.com/presstent/2012...t-us-open.html

Am I the only one who thinks its awesome how they decide pairings at this tournament?

Moving this discussion to the right thread.

Well, I disagree. How many par 4's will these guys be facing 400+ yards for their tee shots? Why is this different? Maybe you are operating under the assumption that par 5's should be birdie holes?

I actually think this yardage is a good risk/reward type hole without a hazard. Guys who hit driver/3 wood for their first two shots will be rewarded with a wedge for their third. Guys who lay back to ensure hitting it in play might have a short-mid iron.

Distance is a skill, it should be rewarded at points. Just like accuracy, touch, feel, and imagination.

Have you ever seen Zach Johnson play?

I mean, it's fine to like him as a dark horse I guess, but it's funny that in back to back posts you call out that this isn't a good setup for TW (who works it both ways as much as anybody buy Bubba basically) because he doesn't work it both ways, and then list ZJ (who literally hits 95% of his shots with a pronounced hook) as someone to watch. It's nonsensical.

Not really anything impactful but def bizarre to see them teeing off on 1 and 9, not 1 and 10

That survey is pretty interesting. Especially the favorite/least favorite lists- No surprise that Oakmont is least favorite...also Bethpage is high on both...Bethpage is hosting the The Barclays this year for the 1st event in the FedEx Cup Playoffs. It will be interesting to see how the course differs from the USGA set-up (Probably just like how Torrey Pines is/was for the '08 U.S. Open and their yearly tour stop (higher, thicker rough, quicker greens, etc.)).

I wonder where all the love for Jonathan Byrd comes from...Just a nice guy that deserves it?

The players probably won't be hitting driver because;

1. The fairway narrows at around the 300 yard marker so it doesn't make much sense.

2. The slopes of the fairway means even a perfect tee shot doesn't guarantee you to be on the fairway.

Meh, I guess it's just preference. I don't like really long Par 3's, Par 4's or Par 5's. Long Par 3's are the worst IMO, 250 yard Par 3's (247 yard one here I think) shouldn't exist.