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Old 07-18-2012, 01:13 PM   #106
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Re: *** 2012 The Open, Royal Lytham & St Annes 19 -22 July ***

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If you didn't have slow play, you wouldn't have the need to start on both tees. Besides the functional challenges of starting on two tees at a venue where #10 is so far away, forcing the slow play issue is a nice stand I think the R&A is taking.
Tough courses typical of majors experience slow play regardless of any enforcement effort. This is nothing new. Women's US Open used to take 6.5 hours, now it is around 5.

1/10 is best/simplest answer.

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Old 07-18-2012, 01:13 PM   #107
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What? Read my reply.
Read it. Still not an oxymoron. Using 1/10 to tee off has no effect on the time it takes to play a round. It effects the total amount of time it takes from the first tee time till the last putt. But just moving to a two tee system will have 0 effect on how quickly players play, that is why it is not any oxymoron.

Please explain to me how Ben Crane will play faster because the tournament tee'd off of 1/10 rather than just 1. Hint, he wont. But if you put some sort of rules in place to penalize slow play he may play faster.

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Old 07-18-2012, 01:16 PM   #108
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Read it. Still not an oxymoron.
Give it up. If you can't figure it out move on.
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Old 07-18-2012, 01:20 PM   #109
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Using 1/10 to tee off has no effect on the time it takes to play a round.
Brilliant
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Old 07-18-2012, 01:21 PM   #110
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It's not like if Kevin Na tees off on 10 he takes only 4 practice swings instead of the usual 8.
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Old 07-18-2012, 01:22 PM   #111
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It's not like if Kevin Na tees off on 10 he takes only 4 practice swings instead of the usual 8.
Sure he will, ask Roger.
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Old 07-18-2012, 01:24 PM   #112
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More brilliance.

Again, if you can't/don't recognize that 1/10 speeds up rounds, simply move on. Ask USGA.
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split tees does not speed up rounds.

it allows more of the slow rounds to conclude within a smaller time frame. but the rounds themselves are still slow.
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Old 07-18-2012, 01:32 PM   #114
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Pebble has a similar problem and they make it work there.

if they want the rounds finish quicker then 1/10 is the best/simplest option.
How often do you think they've used both 1 and 10 tees in an event at Pebble?

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More brilliance.

Again, if you can't/don't recognize that 1/10 speeds up rounds, simply move on. Ask USGA.
Sure, i will....

Oh wait someone has asked the USGA that before, and their reason for going to split tees is to give them more flexibility in the case of weather events. No reference to it speeding up how long it takes groups to play 18 holes.
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Old 07-18-2012, 01:33 PM   #116
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1/10 allows for more groups to keep pace with a faster group, which speeds up rounds.

A typical lead group can play 9 holes in under 2 hours.
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Uh oh. nits gonna nit.

It isn't ground breaking news to say that having some golfers playing the back at the same time as some golfers playing the front instead of no one playing the back for a while will decrease the total amount of time it takes all the golfers to play. But to say that going off 1 and 10 makes the pace of play faster is absurd.
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Old 07-18-2012, 01:35 PM   #118
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Sure, i will....

Oh wait someone has asked the USGA that before, and their reason for going to split tees is to give them more flexibility in the case of weather events. No reference to it speeding up how long it takes groups to play 18 holes.
So explain why USGA rounds are faster since 1/10? Or is that just a big coincidence?
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Uh oh. nits gonna nit.

It isn't ground breaking news to say that having some golfers playing the back at the same time as some golfers playing the front instead of no one playing the back for a while will decrease the total amount of time it takes all the golfers to play. But to say that going off 1 and 10 makes the pace of play faster is absurd.
So 1/10 shortens round times but does not increase pace of play. Got it.
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