Wish they repaired after round 1, Tom Watson and Tiger Woods in the same group would be epic theater at The Old Course.

BO

Good point. Zero so far.

Only two on 16 as well.

7 of 8 hardest holes are 11-17. Even 18 is playing barely under par, which is a little unusual.

Are Rose's sunglasses some special glasses?

Tiger needs to lie down in the Coffin bunker and end it tomorrow.

I bet if he got some hoochie in the coffin bunker tonight around midnight he'd shoot 64 tomorrow

I think it depends.

What I don't get is why he doesn't get rid of all his coaches and just work on his game by himself. I realize that he talks of being required to change his swing because his body can not take the movements in his previous swing(s).

I just don't buy this for a few reasons. One, despite any changes he has made over the years, his swing is 97% the same. The 3% changes are no doubt important, but they are minor adjustments. Things like grip, stance, setup, takeaway, impact position, etc are basically unchanged. His plane has changed slightly through some changes, but that can be reset.

Two, I also don't buy the need to change because of injuries. Every golfer loses flexibility and strength over time. IMO Tiger should be trying to replicate the period in his career when his swing was at its best. If his backswing is only 95% of what it was then, that is no big deal. If his swing speed is 95% of that, no big deal. If he needs to adjust his finish because of stress on his back, then he should be able to adapt to that.

The bottom line is he needs to get his "impact" position the same as it was in his prime, and there is really no physical reason why he cant replicate his impact position. There are tons of guys on the Champion's tour who have lost flexibility and length, yet if you look at there impact position at 55 it would look basically the same as it was when they were 35. The backswing might be shorter, the shoulder turn not as big, the follow through not as fluid or long......but they can get it the proper impact position when the body is working ok.

Tiger is not even 40.

FFS fix this yourself and focus on your best ball-striking period and build your swing around that. Stop changing crap. Go back to what you did.

get an advisor or two but coach yourself.

IMO, if Tiger stays on this path he is on he will not get better. When the best golfer in the world cant take his swing from the range to the course, either he has focus problems or the swing is not sound. Historically, focus has not been a problem...so it has to be the swing.

Historically, he was never caught and exposed to be a dude with a long list of whores he was banging, as his side job.

I'm not saying his swing is flawless, but I think the problem is definitely more mental than swing mechanics.

True, but he won 8 times in 2012/2013.... which seemed to be post "getting-chased-with-iron, losing wife, having wild- threesome every-night, period....."

I agree it's hard to play at as high of a level that he did in the early 2000's without 110% confidence in your game. I don't think we will see someone dominate a sport like Tiger did in his prime for the rest of the century.

You're forgetting one very important detail, he physically cannot replicate his impact position from the glory days because of his wrecked left knee. His trademark was that left knee snap through impact, now that knee has no cartilage left. Zero. He can't snap the knee.

You're right about some of what you say, but if he can't replicate the most important part of the swing which is impact, things are going to be significantly different.

BO

Phil might not even get to the 17th in two... only 1/5 in the field had a putt for birdie

Nice antijinx. Phil

Zack Johnson -6, average drive 271 yards. Sick.

Good point. I realize his knee maybe cant take the torque it used to, but you don't think he should be able to create the same angles at impact?

That said, if he cant move into a posted/braced left knee/leg, then this will create inconsistent ball contact if he is floating left, and maybe that is what we are seeing with his poor iron contact.

Bo, do you think his inability to post up like he used to is the cause of the club bottoming out in different spots each swing (i.e fat/thin)?.

If you thought Tiger's round was bad today (highest ever at the old course) wait till Friday when he goes out in the afternoon.

Another 80?

so what number do you think guys will need to get to tomorrow to make the cut?

In particular because they're probably about even money right now head to head and I'm not trolling.

His weekend scores at majors sucked relative to the position in which he started them, which lends credence to it being largely mental. Especially if you remember his putting. He missed wide right so much he was probably giving Scott Norwood PTSD.

A lot has to do with pin locations wind etc. Right now it's even par, Everything I've seen the weather is bad all day tomorrow and would guess +1, though maybe +2 if it is just brutal.

Doubt they have really tough pins with the weather expected, like 17 won't be by the bunker ...

Almost all of these wins were at his pet courses. He hasn't shot below 70 on a weekend in a major since 2009 even in his good years. He was barely in contention a few times in majors and did nothing but go backwards on the weekend. He is obviously mentally toast and the fact he could hang on and win at his pet courses briefly before his mind completely went should not be surprising to anyone who understands how the mental game goes. Now he has roughly a 5-10 percent chance to shoot in the 80 any round any course. He has gone full David Duval and anyone saying differently are just in full on denial.

The "oh sure he won eight times but they were at courses he likes so who cares" may be the dumbest rationalization I've ever heard from a Tiger hater, and that's saying something.

yea, I know all that stuff matters a lot. I was asking, all things considered, what we think so sounds like you think +1 or +2. I suspect +2 is good. That would mean we need a net of 39 guys (I think its top 70 and ties) to fall to that number or worse, but there are 84 guys between +1 and -2 and I think there are going to be plenty of 74 to 77s out there tomorrow. It seems like it would take some of the worst predictions about weather I've ever seen for the field avg to not tend toward 74 or 75.

boom. nailed it.

and he needs to lose some weight and return his body to his pre PED physique.

so how did Tiger shoot today?


AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAA...

oh **** that is funny.

Can't write off a guy as dead just yet when he had a season end less than two years ago in which he won 5 times, had a 4th at Augusta, a 6th at the Open, and 2nd by half a ball roll at the Barclays.

meh.... He shot a 76 today, the course is going to be beat up a bit, with the greens a bit harder and dryer, and tomorrow will be the next day after a full round on that knee, I put the O/U at 82

A little more time with the Seals and he'll be fine.