I'd lead her on and bang her. Shes only trying to talk with you for the car loan. Who knows how many other white guys shes running her game on.

Is it morally wrong? Closer to yes than no. Keep in mind though she would most likely take the money and not really pay you back in the end. Shes also morally wrong and doing what she needs to do to look after herself.

Would love to hear lord of pokers opinion

She doesn't really sound like she properly qualifies as a 'sweet' girl, to me. Unless you aren't using the most common definition of sweet when applied to people.

^ This. Her begging would be a total turn-off to me.

maybe i wasnt being so serious about that part

been playing for about ten minutes so far today, first hand of substance fish raises utg to 3 i make it 14.50 with KK fish calls huoop with 76s because thats what fish do and since right now i have zero chance fish flops flush

downswing up to 4k, 3ish weeks ago i had almost 5k in my account and was close getting a cash out, now i just had to rebuy so i could have full stacks on each table

That could be your real winrate now that you are not running above EV.
-1300 per week sounds about right.

Gl in your not listening to anyone goals.

ya you are probably right

we shouldnt take the long term win rate, we should just take the worst month stretch ive had on the site and use that, makes sense

starting second session of the day, post in the co i check button limps both blinds see Q82r i have Q8, i bet flop buttons only caller turn 4r i bet he calls riv 3 i check he bets half pot i type out nice hand set of 2s and call

oh look i was right

every first big hand i make during any session is no good

lol posting pre instead of waiting for BB

^ Tommy Angelo did a special calculation about posting in his 'Elements of Poker' and came to the conclusion that posting in CO at a 6-max table is -EV, whereas at an FR table, it's OK.

The thing is that one gets to play 6 hands then upon posting 1 bb, whereas an orbit of 9 hands costs 1.5 bb. So the amount posted per hand is the same, so we have to compare the average quality of the positions. If one posts, one gets to play extra 6 hands from CO to UTG. Those positions are actually not that horrible on average, because they're 1-6 seats away from the button, about exactly 3.50 on average; whereas the average distance from the button of all the 9 positions is 4 (those distances are 0-8).

One more benefit of posting is that CO is actually a better position postflop than SB/BB, and the 1 bb posted is lost more seldom in the former case; one will quite often even raise in CO instead of checking.

Let alone that, if the player has an edge over the table, then it's even more +EV to play 6 extra hands at it instead of just observing the future opponents.

obv wouldnt post in 6max

im posting in co every time full ring

time is money

The most important position in the game of poker, by far, is the button. I will never pay for an orbit of poker in which I don't receive the button.

Someone playing FR and using tracking software, please look up your winrates by position in the DB, calculate the average winrate in UTG-CO and compare it with 16.7 bb/100 (1 bb posted per 6 hands; or 14.3 bb/100 for 10-max games).

Doesn't matter if it's still profitable, it's not AS profitable. I'm a nit through and through sir, I wan't it to be maximally profitable or I ain't paying a cent for it.

Bear in mind that Dante's table selection heavily relies on the perceived profitability of limp/reraising from early positions, so he might be winning more on average in UTG-CO than a similarly skilled reg who would prefer aggro fish to be on his right instead of left.

****, you aren't trying to argue that Dantes most profitable position is not the button, are you?

The button is the most profitable position for any player, period.

As I said I'm not saying it can't be +ev to post in the CO in full ring. But it's not as +ev as getting to play all 9 positions including the button.

Now could I be willing to pay full price to play 8 positions instead of 9? Yes, I could be. In fact I always buy the button in the SB if I missed the BB, but I'm not willing to have the one position I missed be the button. No thanks, need to take breaks periodically anyway, that's the time to do it.

but your already posted in 5 other tables, and are wasting 10 minutes of value on that table

the difference is marginal...... i would prefer to be getting as many possible hands dealt to me when im playing as i can

It's not as marginal as you make it out to be. The button is very important. Then again if there is a big fish in the game it's closer sure.

Anyway I play live not online, so I am only playing 1 table not many. Although I suppose I have to wait even longer.

Perhaps one difference is that, online, you probably just play for a while then take a break then start up again. Full stop. Live is obviously different. I'm not going to play for like 10 hours straight with no break, but obviously I'm not leaving the casino either when I take a break. So since I have cause to take breaks anyway, I figure I'll take one anytime the conditions at the table aren't completely optimal.

No, I'm not. I argue that the combination of BTN, SB and BB is not as much worth paying the extra 0.5 bb as the combination of UTG-CO is worth paying 1 bb. The thing is that 1) BTN is not as far ahead of CO in terms of profitability in NLHE as it is in PLO, 2) though SB and BB are the last positions to act preflop, it's not a big advantage because they'll predictably be facing a PFR most of the time anyway, and they're the first two positions to act postflop, which is so horrible that the fact that you get to play in one best postflop position per round doesn't provide a full compensation.

Note that I'm not claiming that it's -EV to play 3-max - then UTG-CO are absent and thus can't be dealt good hands and deny BTN the luxury of stealing the blinds, plus the blinds face a weaker (exclusively BTN's) opening range than the mix of the UTG-BTN ranges in FR.

Wait! Online when you post behind the button you only need to post the BB? Really??

Well if that's the case that is different I suppose. In live you have to post both the BB and SB so you aren't saving anything but you are missing the button.

Still getting the button is very important and I think you guys are undervaluing it somewhat, but if you get to save .5 bb's it may be worth it, I don't know.

In the games I play if you miss the blind and post in the CO you have to post both blinds.

It also occurs to me, are we talking about posting in the CO when you missed the blinds? or posting in the CO as a player new to the game?

In the games I play in live, if you're new to the game you can enter in the CO for free no post. So of course I do that. But if I miss the blinds I always wait an orbit until the blinds come around again.

It strikes me you guys may be talking about posting as new player, which I don't have to do. So if that's the case, I suppose I can't really weigh in on it.

Yes, online, you need to post 1 bb or wait for the BB as a player new to the table (when you sit in for the first time in the session). But when you return from a sitout, you're forced to either post the bb as a live limp plus the sb dead into the pot like an ante, or wait for the BB. And as you've seen, it makes a ton of difference.

Ah ok, yes, in that case I'd have to do the math on it before making my decision. Thankfully I get to play in games where it is free to come in on the CO as a new player, so I don't have to consider it.

ya if i just got to a casino and they want me to post in the co to start ill put my chips down and go to the bathroom and roam for a bit

totally different online where you are already glued to your seat

i will still post in the co when its bb+sb at times if the game is good

i dont overplay my button, sure id like to have my hands come on the button, but i am more about hands than position, i want to get as many hands dealt to me as possible

Yes, that's a ridiculously generous rule in your games. (But maybe they're overraked to overcompensate for it, so I'm not holding my breath yet.)