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Old 11-18-2010, 03:37 PM   #1
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New TSA Rules - carrying money

The new TSA rules now state that in many cities you now have to either 1)go through a full body scan or 2) go through a pat down.

I was wonder if these procedures will be enforced in Las Vegas and if so how this will effect those carrying significant amounts of money.

Many people may come home with their winnings or bankroll and prefer to keep that money as close to them as possible. Putting something like 5-10k in a suitcase or carryon is too risky, but not a big enough amount to be worth the hassle of a wire transfer to their bank.

Among other things, I think these new procedures are a major violation of privacy because of matters just like this. If they catch you will a large amount of cash on you, you may have to answer questions and draw attention to yourself you may rather not have.

Anyone know if Vegas is or will enforce these procedures, and if so, how can we get around it?

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Old 11-18-2010, 03:55 PM   #2
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Re: New TSA Rules - carrying money

if it's over 10k you should be filing out a customs paper anyways

if it's under 10k, i was under the impression they didnt care?
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Old 11-18-2010, 05:01 PM   #3
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if it's over 10k you should be filing out a customs paper anyways

if it's under 10k, i was under the impression they didnt care?
only for international movements. they don't care what you do in the country. (or rather, there aren't limits on how much money you can carry around on domestic flights).
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Old 11-18-2010, 05:40 PM   #4
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Ask Viffer if they don't care if you carry cash on domestic flights...
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Old 11-18-2010, 10:09 PM   #5
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Re: New TSA Rules - carrying money

Any method of hiding this is going to cause so much more trouble if you get caught.

Just be honest if they ask. It's not illegal. If you don't lie or look like you are lying, you are really unlikely to be stopped for more than 3 minutes.
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Old 11-18-2010, 10:20 PM   #6
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So the title is wrong and there aren't new rules about carrying money?
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Many people may come home with their winnings or bankroll and prefer to keep that money as close to them as possible. Putting something like 5-10k in a suitcase or carryon is too risky, but not a big enough amount to be worth the hassle of a wire transfer to their bank.
The existence of this thread suggests to me that it is worth the hassle of a wire transfer, to prevent the potentially much more significant hassle of some TSA agent taking an interest in why you're carrying "so much cash". And even if legally you're supposed to have the right to carry as much cash as you want on domestic flights (I don't know if that's the law or not but suppose it is), that doesn't seem to stop them from harrassing people who carry significant amounts of cash anyway. How much do you trust the average TSA agent to have a correct understanding of what your legal rights are? If the agent (mistakenly) thinks you're required to answer a long series of intrusive questions about the cash, unfortunately they're running the show and you'll be expected to answer. Maybe eventually they back down, or if they significantly overstep their bounds you might even have a lawsuit, but do you really want to deal with any of this? Wire transfer = keep the TSA out of it.

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Old 11-19-2010, 01:48 PM   #8
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How much do you trust the average TSA agent to have a correct understanding of what your legal rights are? If the agent (mistakenly) thinks you're required to answer a long series of intrusive questions about the cash, unfortunately they're running the show and you'll be expected to answer.
Actually, they know EXACTLY what they can and can not do. They know the limits, they know the questions they can ask and the questions they can ask and you don't need to answer. They know all the tricks and loopholes. A lot of times they are just probing with questions - and there is usually nothing illegal about asking questions and it is up to you to not saying something bad that may get you in trouble. 99% of the time it is the traveler who thinks they have a 'right' to do this or that.
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Old 11-19-2010, 03:24 PM   #9
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So what should you say or not say? If it is legal to carry any amount of cash domestically, what issue could TSA have? Is it really any of their business? Is there any reason they could confiscate it or delay you? Is it better to just be upfront about it and tell them you have cash before they find it on a body scan? Or will they likely say nothing bc they are looking for explosives and weapons? Also if they do question you I would hate to have to flash a roll of money in public. Let hope they would at least have enough sense to be discrete.
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Old 11-19-2010, 04:31 PM   #10
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I don't know...

Look up Viffer's experience on this, and it will scare the beejezus out of you. If they suspect the money is coming from drugs, they can just confiscate it. (They also took his rolex.) It took him a couple of months to get his stuff back.
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Actually, they know EXACTLY what they can and can not do. They know the limits, they know the questions they can ask and the questions they can ask and you don't need to answer. They know all the tricks and loopholes. A lot of times they are just probing with questions - and there is usually nothing illegal about asking questions and it is up to you to not saying something bad that may get you in trouble. 99% of the time it is the traveler who thinks they have a 'right' to do this or that.
They certainly should know what you are and are not legally required to answer, and I'm sure their training would address these issues, lets just say I'm somewhat doubtful as to the general competence of TSA agents. In any case what you're describing fits with what happened when Steve Bierfeldt was detained for questioning by the TSA while carrying $4700 in St. Louis a year and a half ago, which he recorded:

Part 1
Part 2
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He was asked about the money, why he was carrying it, what he does for a living, etc. And instead of answering he consistently asked whether he was legally required to answer the question or not. What I found interesting is that the TSA agent and the police officer who was brought in to question him later kept asking the same questions but, when Bierfeldt would ask if he was legally required to answer the question, they would never say he was legally required to answer the question. And then they would come back and ask the same questions again basically just trying to wear him down.

So yes, it seems they realized that they didn't have the authority to outright force him to answer questions such as "What do you do for a living?", but they wanted to go on their fishing expedition anyway and continue to press for answers and basically try to trick/bully him into answering. Pretty impressive to me that he never gave in and eventually they had to let him go. I don't know whether he made his flight or not.
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Old 11-19-2010, 06:10 PM   #12
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Thanks for linking to this. It is an interesting topic.

Clearly, TSA guys are trained to interrogate people. Just because someone may have a low opinion of them, doesn't mean they don't know all the best setups and comebacks to make people do and say what they want. Few people will know all the tricks TSA guys know, and how to best respond to each one. That is the reality of the situation.

There is another legal case that ended up at the Supreme Court that is similar. It is a case of some Latino immigrant who was going back home with all their money on his person. I think it was around 100k or so. He stepped into the airport, and never even got to the place where he could fill out the disclosure form because he was stopped at a security check where they discovered his cash. Because this was international, our Federal government confiscated all his money forever. I am not sure how the SCOTUS ruled on this, or whether they even took up the case, but that just goes to show you... I will try to track down the name of this case. I'm hoping someone knows the name of the case off the top of their head.
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Old 11-19-2010, 06:38 PM   #13
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Its pretty ridiculous that someone would think repeatedly asking the same question over and over is easier than giving a clear and concise answer. Asking if there is anything they could do to expedite the process and then thanking the TSA for their time.
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Old 11-19-2010, 07:57 PM   #14
 
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I don't think he thought it was "easier" to refuse answering, clearly he had an axe to grind with the TSA. He didn't think he should have to give an account of where he got the money, what he planned to do with it, or what he does for a living as a pre-condition for boarding a domestic flight. So he took a stand and refused to answer these questions (which by the way are entirely irrelevant to flight safety), unless his answers were required by law (what happened suggests they weren't). Of course it wasn't the quickest path through the security checkpoint.
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Old 11-19-2010, 08:57 PM   #15
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http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?se...ors&id=6285192 That is a link to two international flight stories. It looks like the Ghanan was boarding the plane, but the Guatemalan was just in the airport and didn't even get to the area where you can get the declaration form to fill out...
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