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Old 04-03-2011, 08:33 AM   #61
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The term "noble savage" has been around for centuries. I'm sure a proper Google search will find you plenty of information on the subject.

"Noble savage" conceptually refers to the rather patronizing view that a simpler life, in harmony with the land, is pure and ideal. The canard is that it simply has never existed; people living in mud huts live a hard life.
Thanks, I am clear on the term 'noble savage', thank you. What I said was specifically 'noble savage bias', which is undefined and fairly meaningless. Bias towards what or whom? You said it 3 times in this thread.

The one short sentence he said that has any relation to this was "The people are lovely, not yet obliterated by western values or capitalism.". That's it.

To draw the conclusion that therefore he has some inherent noble savage 'bias', as you repeatedly call it, is just plain bizarre.


You talk all you want about the economic situation of cambodia. It's useful and interesting. Adding your own thoughts on the country (negative or otherwise) add value to the thread. But don't take away from what OP took the time to write here; he never claimed he 'understood' the country, or that there wasn't economic issues, or that quality of life was lower.

Specifically multiple times in his OP he referred to living 'western-standard' living with his apartment and monthly wage. There is no doubt in anyone's mind that OP is taking advantage of the cheaper living to live well, why implicitly is taking advantage of the economic situation of the country. You repeatedly stating that and insulting him and saying "i've known lots of people like you who don't truely understand what's going on in where you are staying" is insulting, meaningless, and is more judgemental than any bias OP has.
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Old 04-03-2011, 08:35 AM   #62
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well you did say you were done and sorry for derailing..so I was right on one count! i don't think anything from the OP misleads us to believe that Cambodia isn't generally poor and corrupt.

so when you say "white man's paradise", any race can be substituted?

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Old 04-03-2011, 08:39 AM   #63
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Moki is right imo, im sure OP does live a nice life in Cambodia and other poker players could too but this is because you can earn 10x what the locals can earn by working half as much as them.
doesn't the second part of this sound like OP is exploiting the locals in someway by playing online poker, "earning 10x by doing half as much work"? i could be wrong..i'm not moki. lol

can't the same be said about places like thailand, mexico....fact is online poker players seem to be moving to these places. again, i don't think OP misleads us to believe that Cambodia doesn't have tons of issues.
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Old 04-03-2011, 08:42 AM   #64
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obviously when people do this and 'live like kings' in developing nations they are to some extent taking advantage of the economic situations of the host country. OP never suggested otherwise. What he did was take his time to write a trip report on how it's gone so far, and you've just come in and insulted him for not truely understanding what the country is like.
Yeah, you're right. There's no value in pointing out to people reading this, who might be considering a venture to Cambodia, the reality that crime, corruption, and gangsterism in Cambodia is a real problem.

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Old 04-03-2011, 08:50 AM   #65
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Thanks, I am clear on the term 'noble savage', thank you. What I said was specifically 'noble savage bias', which is undefined and fairly meaningless. Bias towards what or whom? You said it 3 times in this thread.
From what you stated earlier ITT, it was rather ambiguous that you were clear at all on the term. But you're welcome for the clarification.

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The one short sentence he said that has any relation to this was "The people are lovely, not yet obliterated by western values or capitalism.". That's it.

To draw the conclusion that therefore he has some inherent noble savage 'bias', as you repeatedly call it, is just plain bizarre.
Right, I'm sure he's formed a perfectly complete and accurate view of the people of Cambodia from the few weeks he's spent in his Westernized (oh the irony) beachside villa with 24/7 security that separates him from the populace. Please. I do believe I was quite correct in my assessment.

And for what it's worth, to my knowledge, 4 people ITT have actually been to Cambodia: myself, Iao (OP), zigi, and realmaniac1. 3 of the 4 people generally agree on the same basic points.

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Old 04-03-2011, 08:50 AM   #66
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Moki, you have made your point. Please leave thread now or add something of value.
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Old 04-03-2011, 08:51 AM   #67
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Yeah, you're right. There's no value in pointing out to people reading this, who might be considering a venture to Cambodia, the reality that crime, corruption, and gangsterism in Cambodia is a real problem.

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How much of a problem is it to someone who will go there and live in hotel at a beachfront resort in a town that caters to sex tourism and tourism?
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Old 04-03-2011, 08:51 AM   #68
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doesn't the second part of this sound like OP is exploiting the locals in someway by playing online poker, "earning 10x by doing half as much work"? i could be wrong..i'm not moki. lol
If you read my post I don't claim he exploits anyone, you have just fabricated this.
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Old 04-03-2011, 08:57 AM   #69
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From what you stated earlier ITT, it was rather ambiguous that you were clear at all on the term. But you're welcome for the clarification.
No it was not, I even used quotation marks around the term to make it clear. And I said that your Wikipedia article makes no mention of 'bias'. There was no ambiguity, you chose to misinterpret or your misread what I wrote.

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Right, I'm sure he's formed a perfectly complete and accurate view of the people of Cambodia from the few weeks he's spent in his Westernized (oh the irony) beachside villa with 24/7 security that separates him from the populace. Please. I do believe I was quite correct in my assessment.
You're still not getting it. Let me state it absolutely clearly: he's not claiming he has an accurate view of the people of Cambodia, he doesn't have to to live there, and he doesn't need to to make this thread.

Other than one short sentence about the people he's met so far, he otherwise discusses the practicality of living there for a poker player (internet connection, cost of living, taxation, expat community).

It's absolutely clear to everyone but you that he implicitly states he does not have a 'complete and accurate view of the people of Cambodia'. That he lives in a western beach villa is exactly why he does not.

Only you are trying to draw that conclusion that offhandedly laugh at OP for his naivity and imply he's going through some mid-life crisis. And this does not reduce the value of his post.

Is this any clearer?
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Old 04-03-2011, 09:02 AM   #70
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How much of a problem is it to someone who will go there and live in hotel at a beachfront resort in a town that caters to sex tourism and tourism?
Tourists in such areas are much safer in general; the locals are not stupid, they know that without tourists, there is no money. However, the fact that people staying in said resorts have several thousand times the wealth of the average Cambodian also makes them an obvious target for petty crimes (pickpocketing, mugging, etc.) and potentially more serious crimes as well.

Venturing even a little bit off of the beaten path from the insulation of the beach resort, and things potentially get dicier. Primarily because you're simply someone with obvious wealth.
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Old 04-03-2011, 09:06 AM   #71
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Other than one short sentence about the people he's met so far, he otherwise discusses the practicality of living there for a poker player (internet connection, cost of living, taxation, expat community).
You mean the explicit sentence that I've quoted and have directly commented on. Man, you are seriously hopeless.

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Only you are trying to draw that conclusion that offhandedly laugh at OP for his naivity and imply he's going through some mid-life crisis. And this does not reduce the value of his post.
Yes, I do think based on OP's statements ITT that he is being naive, for the many reasons I've already outlined.

So Hood, you ever been to Cambodia? You able to discuss the validity of any of the content here, or are you just polishing up that shining knight armor?
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Old 04-03-2011, 09:10 AM   #72
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Page 5 and no cambodian Girls? That cant be right.
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Old 04-03-2011, 09:11 AM   #73
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moki/or anyone, what about the part where OP stated he's lived in Thailand for the past two years? Is Thailand a completely safe place, or not even close to the problems in Cambodia?

i guess the point i was trying to make is that he's not moving straight from UK-->Cambodia.

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Old 04-03-2011, 09:15 AM   #74
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well you did say you were done and sorry for derailing..so I was right on one count! i don't think anything from the OP misleads us to believe that Cambodia isn't generally poor and corrupt.

so when you say "white man's paradise", any race can be substituted?
NO you WRONG that was me who said that i was done

I have nothing against OP i just tried to give him some 1 st hand info on the place he just moved to....i think been there up and on for over 10 years its maybe 12 but that isnt the point and tought i could give OP some advice.... I am with moki and many of his points are valid and he is clearly a man of the world who did alot of traveling.

now you did me post again man i am so weak.

I understand OP have a great time etc. and he 100% right to follow his dream to travel and see and living in other country's thats what i do for the last 15 years or so...but again OP did describe it all a bit to possitive and i wanted to point that out and if my english skills would be better i could make my points maybe more valid but moki did said alot of truth and dont need to be bashed for that. few months is simply not enough to have a clear sight of a place and OP clearly have some things wrong.

i was looking for a link of the friend of me that been killed there....i didnt find it by the first search but found few others on the first search and OP stated that it was all peace.

just happend OP must have know about this while he lives there others are less recent....peacefull city it is...

http://sihanoukville-gazette.blogspo...noukville.html

just google and you find some more and then some are not easy to find as i dont find anything related to my friend.

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Old 04-03-2011, 09:15 AM   #75
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moki, what about the part where OP stated he's lived in Thailand for the past two years? Is Thailand a completely safe place, or not even close to the problems in Cambodia?
Thailand is, in general, a much, much safer place to live than Cambodia. Obviously there are exceptions, there are unsafe places in any country. And if you never leave your fortified resort, it probably doesn't make that much of a difference (but if you're going to live there for any extended period of time, you're going to leave your resort).

Infrastructure issues, corruption, and gangsterism is also present in Thailand (and every other country on the planet), but not to the degree that it is in Cambodia. It'd be somewhat similar to comparing Costa Rica (Thailand) to Guatemala (Cambodia).
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