I pay because they are trying to eek out an existence in a third world country and I no longer need to satisfy my ego by stiffing them for their pay.

PS Im a fat white guy and they still only charge me $20, even the hot ones.

But yeah It's very easy to get away with not paying if you want to go through life being a ****.

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nice post but its pretty wrong... i know these girls are hookers, none have ever asked me for money after sex, the only one who asked after was the ladyboy who gave me BJ and i gave her $5..

No, you are wrong and Spiv is right. I started out thinking like you but eventually you wisen up.

i am in cambodia at the moment and will be for a while if u need any help

I don't often get asked for money either, but sometimes offer it anyway if I'm feeling generous and the girl looks like she needs the money desperately but from my experience if these girls are f*cking you for free it's probably because they think they will be getting something out of it like a long term relationship or a nice cosy room and some decent meals. I doubt they'd be so keen if they knew it was a one night thing and we'd be back out on the prowl the next night for another girl...

Also, will you pay for these girls drinks at all or a meal the next day? It's no different to paying $20 for sex when you think about it. I sometimes stay with the same girl for a few days after if I'm bored of being alone and although I didn't pay a thing for "sex" - the drinks & food accumulated over the next few days way eclipses that $20 probably.

I'd say you'd have to be highly delusional to believe that these girls don't want anything in return and are purely doing it because you're a "young handsome guy".

I doubt theres anyone except for the oldest/fattest guys or K2D that pay everytime anyway...

Whoever was asking about Avram Grant being in sihanoukvolle before apparently he has share in a seafood ( shrimp?) farm in sihanoukville.

Totally agree friend, and find it very degrading by those that are too much of nits to pay for a girl... Some of these working girls will be too shy/embarrassed to bring up the subject of money, for they are still new to this game. I always make a point of paying generously (and believe me, I am confident in my good looks and do not pay for women very often anyways) because I can and want to. Also, I keep in mind that I make more in 1 night of playing poker then they do in 1 month.

That being said, it is kind of sick that some pride themselves in not paying.

well ya when you walk up to a working girl and ask her "want come my room" you should probably pay her every time......... i dunno thats just my way of thinking on it


its different in PI but its blatantly obvious to anyone in snooky that if a girl is down at dolphin at midnight standing around looking bored she is waiting for a customer not waiting to give out a freebie


i have no clue what Yazz's MO is, he probably hangs out with them all night and they have a good time which is obv way different than what i was doing, but id still guess that 90% of them are hoping to get some money in the morning but are to shy to ask, or are starting to contemplate what they should be naming their children and wondering how much she will like america

There's a thread on another Cambo forum just now, about getting robbed by a freelancer he wasn't paying. Seems to be common for freelancers to go for free , but they might turn to ripping you off if you give them the chance or don't tip them. Keep you're stuff locked up Yazz , and stay safe. Watch you don't get set up to get robbed or anything. They may be secretly pissed at you. They will have an ego too, and probably think they are worth being paid.

I was only joking pal, your intentions were quite clear with these girls and when you approach them in the street and asked them on the spot as you did there is no way, anybody on gods green earth isn't going to have to pay.

And you're right, my freebies are always where I met the girl in a club and brought her a few drinks etc and made it clear I liked her... just as you would anywhere else in the world, I'm sure Yazz is the same so it's completely different.

They may have to prostitute themselves for money, but they are still humans with feelings so if a guy shows affection towards them I don't see why they would charge to be honest if it could lead to more.

but you know its never going to lead to more right?


so your basically just leading them on to get it for free which is imo the worst way to go about it and why i always kept it a clear business transaction


in PI its different

go on...

I've been in the situation before (Pooter also posted a TR on it) where a hooker went home with me repeatedly for free, refusing money, just for fun sex and perhaps to 'feel normal' with a younger guy. Slept with my friends too, and didn't try to initiate a relationship, just moved on when she got bored. From her Facebook photos it became clear she was getting a lot of cash from sponsors, regular customers in their 40s - 50s taking her on expensive holidays etc.

There's a hot soapy girl who hangs out with the bkk 2p2ers and has banged almost all of them, free. She's earning more than enough from that then just enjoys partying / sharing bottles in a club after work with younger guys.

These are rare cases but pretty awesome when they come along.

Agree with Dante, and find it pretty weak to be debating how a foreigner with money hustles a girl for free sex just to increase his fragile ego... Weak.

how many times did i say in thread me that filipinas are horny as can be and want to .... and in snooky it was the complete opposite

even the ones that "enjoyed" going with me (crazy girl, my fav, milky) were about 10% as into it as most girls in PI, you kiss a girl in PI on the neck and slide your hand between her legs and the juices are insta-flowing


just yesterday i met a new girl here and just want bj's, after round 1 we "cuddle" for like 45 minutes, she then gives me round 2 and is heading out the door when she turns around and starts trying to make out with me (but obv no kissing.......) so she just starts kissing my neck and puts my hand down low......... i tell her not to start up again cuz i need to get back to work, my protests fall on def ears and she is riding me 5 minutes later


that would basically never happen in cambo, chicks there were just not sexual at all


what jspill put in the edit is key, there isnt a lot of money there, there arent a lot of sponsored girls there, one of the few sponsored girls i know is the last girl to ever give out a freebie......... i asked her how long it had been since she had sex for free and because she wanted to and she said was when she was 17 with her khmer boyfriend (she was like 23 or 24 at the time)


it was extremely obvious that 99% of the girls in cambodia that were out after dark were looking to make money not to have a good time

I agree its different in the Phi there are a lot of non hookers in the discos with their friends so in most cases you actually need a wing man because they often wont go home alone with you.

This is the reason I had this problem when I came back to Thailand as a single guy and didn't see why everyone was paying girls from the disco. I do think its a different thing though knowing a chick is working and not paying her.

For me it all goes back to the paying for sex makes you feel dirty that Spiv mentioned in his article, but the longer you stay in Asia you come to realize they are all working and hoping to get paid or leech on to you. I don't feel the same about paying being dirty anymore would rather pay than not and am fairly sure these Cambo studs will change their opinion on this the longer they hang around.

i dunno, ive been working at JJs for like 2 months now, i know pretty much all the reg hookers and they know me. they all seem to know i sleep around and im not looking for any thing serious

when i first got here it was probably different, these girls had long term plans maybe, but now..... like the girl i stayed with last night, she has a few ladyboy friends who all know me, they know i sleep around for free, but she stayed with me anyway

the only time ive bought a girl a drink is when i bought a girl a bottle of water to let me go with her friend (she knew i was butterfly)... i came to cambodia because im broke grinding the micros, im not a sex tourist, if i paid $20 everytime i had sex since i been here, i would have been back in england a long time ago

im good friends with all the hookers ive stayed with, a few still try calling me to stay with me even tho they know im broke and dont pay. 1 girl supplys me with condoms because she knows i sleep around

and remember.. its not just me, its same for my bro and a few guys fromJJs... but they dont stay with as many

edit: i should probably add pretty much all of these girls do have western boyfriends who send them money...

I was in the bar next to JJs last night (pirate something). They are all hookers and expect compensation. You are kidding yourself bro.

on the bright side at least he is noob and doesnt know better

sam on the other hand fully knows whats going on and...........

Yup. Even had a working girl point to a guy and tell me that he didn't pay for the night spent with her. She was obviously disappointed. And told me how some people do not always pay... Funny how guys will justify it by saying the girl knows from the get go... Just because you do not get beat up by a pimp, does not mean you can take advantage of a girl that does not stand up for herself.

so when i stay with a girl and she leaves in the morning with no money, why does she stay with me again a few days later? im friends with every girl ive been with, im not on bad terms with anyone... ok i guess some girls may be expecting money but im 100% sure quite a few of these girls know im not going to pay, and stay with me anyway...

if i did stay with a girl who expected money, and i didnt pay, surely she wouldnt like me? but thats not the case at all, i am on good terms with all of them. the one girl who demanded $40 when she saw me with another girl, im even good friends with her now, she has stayed with me twice since then, and after that she bought me and a few friends some balloons at JJs

its at the point now where if i see a girl with a customer we just laugh about it, and i can even talk to them about things like how much they charge customers...

most of these girls get sent more money per month than i make... one of the hottest girls on the beach im really good friends with, the one who supplys me with condoms has 4 guys sending her money, she gets over $2k per month. and she told me she dont stay with customers for less than $60 or $80 i cant remember which one

A lamb is always on good terms with a farmer too, until it comes time for Sunday roast.

Dante, like I've said ~ I don't think I've ever slept with a girl and not given her anything in return... if I don't pay for sex I might offer her a drink on a night out if we pass or if I'm bored and wanna eat out then call her and see f she fancies something to eat. Sure I might not pay for sex sometimes, and other times I've insisted on a girl taking $20 even though she literally refuses to take it out of my hand.

I'm kinda split on this one ~ I think to go around boasting that you give these girls nothing, ever is pretty sh*tty, but also to suggest you should be throwing $20 at every girl you sleep with here as standard is ludicrous and with all due respect to Spiv - we didn't all get left a 400k house by our parents and if some of us younger guys did start throwing money about like confetti like that we would be back home working a 9-5 by the end of the year.

$20 for a shag is hardly throwing money around like a drunken sailor. People who aren't willing to pay hookers are just cheap. If you can't afford it, stay home and have a wank.

im trying not to boast about it.... like u said, im 22 im broke and grind the micros... im pretty sure its only a matter of time until i run out of money and have to go back to england, so im trying to last as long as possible... yes i am cheap, im broke but trust me im having the best time of my life. i had no idea at all it would be like this.... if i was some rich guy, or just on holiday here, it would probably be different. i even got a job at JJs for free drinks (altho best decision ever, i love it there) . i didnt come out here planning to sleep with many hookers because i expected to pay $20 everytime, it was supposed to be a rare thing, but when its like this....

girl i stayed with last 2 nights, and 1 time few days before.. first met her at dolphin at like 3am after i finish JJs. talked with her for like 45 minutes maybe and asked if she wanted to stay with me, she asked how much i pay and i told her i cant pay. we stopped talking for like 10 mins then i saw her on her own and spoke with her (cant really remember what was said... ***** balloons), but i ended up going back to some ladyboys room with her, chilled there for a bit then went to her room and stayed there.

2 nights later i see her at JJs and talk with her. she was with same ladyboy friend sitting on the beach (maybe spiv saw ;o.... hot blonde ladyboy, she stands out) anyway i ended up staying with her again. next day we text a little and she says she will come JJs at 12 and i stayed with her again. and now today i told her im not working at JJs tonight and shes asking me to go to her room...

on 1st night she had phone call with her boyfriend and she told me about him, he has alot of money, she is 31 (looks like 24 omg), she knows im just some 22 y/o kid, no money, no job, drinking too much, she knows i stay with many girls and am not really looking for anything serious, so i dont think shes got any long term plans... she cant have been expecting money in the morning because she knew i had no money with me, i had to borrow $1 from dolphin to get home. by now this girl definitly knows i have no money and cant be expecting to get paid... no way.. and its similiar situations like this with most other girls

i think the fact they know i live here and im actually making an effort to make friends with them has a lot to do with it. im not just walking up to them and asking if they want boom boom for free, im spending time, drinking with these girls, after all... that is what my 'job' at JJs is... im also learning some khmer, they love it



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