im not going to ship you money that i dont think you are entitled to based on our agreement (well you would never make an agreement) and then have you not continue, and if you are willing to continue then why do i need to ship it now just for you to ship it right back to me?


ive already told you how little money i currently have available for online poker, how do you expect me to send you anything? remember we already talked a few days ago about how the insured money wouldnt be paid until i cleared bonus..... im not even sure i will clear a bonus now

so K2D is down $200 to djle.

The most sensible and ethical thing to do here would be to give djle all the rakeback that was made during the 2-4 days of the stake, however long it lasted. To reduce the amount of make up K2D owes him and that be done with it.

I think that is fair on both parties given the vagueness of this whole thing.

all the rakeback made was with djle money, with all the facts being all over the place, and you being $200 in make up (i think reading the last 2 pages). Ship him all the rakeback you made, anything over $200 you keep, anything under goes to djle.

Best way to end this and keep your name from being a labeled as a scammer. These last two pages should also be put here

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/22...fering-stakes/

Get your own gif bro.

there is no reason for me not to be staked again when he wanted his money i gave him his money

the entire time i was trying to avoid a situation like this, but im not gonna send him money he isnt entitled to and i cant afford to send him money right now anyways which he knows


there really is no reason for this not to continue, if he sends me 500 worst case scenario i lose it in 3 days his insured money is up to 275ish and im close enough to the bonus that i can clear it with my own so he 100% will get his insured

i dont plan to lose his money just saying worst case

Can anyone give cliffs as to what the dispute is over? Not only are both posts very long, but also terribly written and almost impossible to read.

cliffs
-djle stakes K2D for $500 to play SNG hypers
-no rules or conditions are formally set for the stake, no % splits or mark up discussed.
-K2D loses $200 within 2 days and doesnt update djle with any information and doest send HH of said tourneys
-K2D claims site he plays on is terrible for HH
-UN holds meeting about the Syria Crisis in New York
-djle doesnt really care too much and wants to end the stake because of this
-K2D ships $300 back and owing $200. But he will not give djle any of the rakeback he made during that time even though he owns djke $200 and I think at they did agree that djle would get 50% of the RB given chat logs.

If that is all factually correct, K2D is bang out of order. How many people warned djle though? Only himself to blame.

How on earth did he lose $200 in 2 days anyway? Surely he wasn't playing $7-10 Hypers on a $500 staked roll?

Of course he won't give him any money from the RB. He thinks he's entitled to it and w/e anyone says he won't listen anyway.

Instead he will post walls of incoherent babble about how he is correct in his decision making and everyone else is just not understanding the situation.

Shame that he doesn't even realise that djle was trying to do him a favour.

the thing K2D does not understand is this

profit split 50/50
There is no profit so nothing is split and -$200 put in the profit and loss


Rake back split 50 /50
not sure how much rakeback was earned but lets say $80, K2D think he is entitled to 50% of that but from what it looks like he has taken it all. But in staking if you are in make up like K2D is, the backer gets 100% of the rakeback to cover the loses. But K2D is not giving him anything because djle ended the stake. Even though djle had some legitimate reasons too.

its a a bit wishy washy but im here as acting mod to sort the situation out.

Based on those cliffs, my contribution is:

djle, walk away with what you got back and learn to be clear. If you choose to be so apathetic then don't throw your panties around if something like this happens.

k2d, be happy you actually got somewhat staked and ship him the rb you accrued during the stake if you want to keep any kind of community reputation.

Also, learn to read and write and have some dignity, kids.

this thread needs a mr robert update

So basically Dante was freerolling for 100% of his RB, pretty sick.

I can't understand why somebody would send $500 a) to someone who countless people warned him not too and b) and not even be bothered to discuss details of the staking plan. To me that sounds like someone who is absolutely minted and doesn't care much for small amounts of money like that, and is just doing to help out a down on his luck guy a favour... so why so bothered about the $35 or w/e it is now?

FFS QUIT LISTENING TO PE

will be back in 10 minutes to clean up his mess


FIRST OFF

there is no makeup, PE is treating this like a standard stake with a legit company, its nothing even close to that, it wasnt even really a stake it was more a mix of a stake and a loan because of the insured money, but to get the insured money he needed to do more than give up after 3 days barely down, i told him the insured money was for helping me to clear the bonus and not even doing 10% of the bonus isnt really helping

had he flat out lost all his money and wanted to give up that would have been a legit attempt and i would have paid him whether i cleared the bonus or not........ but quiting down $65 in 3 days isnt a legit attempt



this is what i came up with "do what you think is fair"

maybe its a crazy plan but it makes sense to me, he has very little risk (IF HE STICKS WITH IT) and the potential for half profits which could be a lot when im playing hundreds of hypers a day, if he went for 3 more days and i lost his 500 most he would have lost is a little over 200 because then i would have been close enough to a bonus i could clear it with my own money


THERE IS NO $45 A DAY AS HALF OF THE RAKEBACK IF NO BONUS GETS CLEARED


and yes i realize DJLE was trying to do me a favor, but that doesnt mean im just gonna send him money he isnt entitled to

Yeah so wtf does this have to do with Cambodia ?

Can you just start a new thread.

Thanks

In K2d's defense, you really can't expect jacksht if all you ever say is "do whatever's fair". Terms are whatever k2d says it is at that point. Don't try to look like such a super cool baller giving out stakes with no guidelines and then freak out all along the way.

I did not care about the 500. No one had to warn me. Freely did it under no influence of alcohol either. I was just a fan of Dante and wanting to help him out as he was really stressing. I believe Dante has the best of intentions.

There was no discussion of anything really. I really left it up to Dante with the phrase, what ever you think is fair. There was no discussion of make up so if Dante wants to do that, its up to him. I have stated to Dante that the stake was unfair but still left it to Dante to do as he wished and he declined to better the stake but did say 50% rackback if hes not profitable. Def no need for all the rackback as PE suggested.

So just going by that I feel that 50% of the rackback earned so far should be mine. Things happen and ended/hold the stake early. This is where it gets questionable and this is where were at.

He believes one thing, I believe another. It happened because I didnt make things clear, my fault not that i cared. Things even get more questionable if Dante doesnt end up clearing the rackback but only due to his low funds.

As to why I wanted to actually have all the monies shipped back to me if I would only send it back if things were figured out is because Dante was under the impression that I am not owed this rackback if stake was ended early and needed to see this through. I trusted him by sending him the stake, this was important to see if he would return the rest. Thing is he believes he doesnt owe it so i just chalk it up to difference of opinion and dont hate the guy. He prob has a different thought process than most as we can see in his reports. Its not like I couldnt have predicted weird **** to occur when dealing with Dante.

if i export the hand history in the client it comes out as a text file that cant be put into poker tracker (PE saw one of these but he will just start talking about makeup again)


when i use the gamehistory.dat file in the microgaming folder it says ive played 42 sngs when ive played 1k+, or when PE did it it had my vpip at 92%


so i email them about the hand history and they say ok will get back to you within 72 hours, i got it today and download it and its an excel spreadsheet that is my "game history"


it really doesnt seem to have hands, well it does but no cards are listed, no real poker data........ i try to upload it for pokertracker but i think it being saved as an excel file wont register........ i highly doubt it will work anyways but what should it be saved as?

Im personally am done with this situation. You guys can carry on without me.

Mr Robert?

hahaha

So is it time to be shamed now? And is ezeyano going to release his identity and pics to protect the community?

lol at staking k2d to hyper turbos. Would of been more profitable to stake me to scratch off instant lotto tickets.

OK, all the best to Dante, but I was really happy when he created his own thread so this one would be about Cambodia, and not his inner-badly written-narcissistic world. I had started to read this thread again. And now it is all about him again. I agree with Chase Poker : start a new thread.

dont really think there is anything wrong about staking me in hypers, im one of the few really aggro regs in those games and they are extremely fish filled

staking me at anything on microgaming other than full ring cash where i can pot control and avoid all ins is another story

its been "all about me" for like 2 days and would have just been idling on page 2 if we didnt discuss this here....... and how long do you expect this discussion to go on?

To be fair I think Dante has a point. You can't really expect him to pay rakeback when there is no rakeback. Until the bonus is cleared the rakeback is only theoretical and I get the impression that Dante is more than willing to ship it once it becomes actual.

Thanks for the laughs