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Old 07-31-2016, 01:38 AM   #151
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I tought I read in another thread jspill saying it wa snot the shorts and t shirt the problem, but the fact that you wear the same dirty clothes multiple days
ah yes i forgot about that greasy hair post, sorry there are so many complaints about the way i live my life it can be really hard to keep up with them all

believe it or not, thailand is not the only country that I sweat in when I walk in 90 degree heat
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Old 07-31-2016, 01:52 AM   #152
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sorry there are so many complaints about the way i live my lifet
You know I'm a big fan of your lifestyle k2d
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Old 07-31-2016, 02:00 AM   #153
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Well you've outlasted most of the haters K2d.

Where are Paul B and Spiv these days? I don't see them around here anymore.

And seems like you might be turning lol69/trolol towards your side...and that water buffalo from way back when in Snooky is probably dead by now (rip water buffalo,) ...but you're still here.

So I guess that's something to be proud of.
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Old 07-31-2016, 02:20 AM   #154
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ya that buffalo was a pussy
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Old 07-31-2016, 03:04 AM   #155
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Slim fit twill shorts from H&M are fine
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Old 07-31-2016, 03:21 AM   #156
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if i can be serious for a moment, if you're not aware i was in jakarta last year and was extorted by police on my way to the airport.

how do people in jakarta avoid this if out late at night in north jakarta (or anywhere in jakarta)? i would like to visit jakarta again at some point, but i now have a fear of running into the same situation again (even though i was probably a little unlucky).

is it simply a case of avoiding north jakarta? does this happen in other areas of jakarta too? is there a way to lessen my risk if going to the airport early in the morning again?
Yea,i heard your story before,that just a case of bad luck in my opinion.. remember,if you do nothing suspicious or crime..police got nothing to do with foreigners, immigration does..

North jakarta for some part is okay..but safer in south side..
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Old 07-31-2016, 03:23 AM   #157
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Slim fit twill shorts from H&M are fine
( ) will ever wear anything called 'twill'
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Old 07-31-2016, 03:32 AM   #158
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Those top tier club girls look like ladyboys ( and not even nice lady boys) the one in the middle wearing green is ok.
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Old 07-31-2016, 03:36 AM   #159
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Those top tier club girls look like ladyboys ( and not even nice lady boys) the one in the middle wearing green is ok.
There's bigger chance you got that right in Thailand,but not here in Indonesia
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Old 07-31-2016, 03:39 AM   #160
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Those top tier club girls look like ladyboys ( and not even nice lady boys) the one in the middle wearing green is ok.
Funny, I tought the one in green looked like a ladyboy. I think the one that we barely see wearing pink might be nice. Other one are fatties.
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Old 07-31-2016, 03:51 AM   #161
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I think the two to the greens right massively look like ladyboys.

In any country i dont see how they can be top tier. Maybe top tier of the dude in the blue shirt but not actual top tier.

Top tier hookers under a certain price maybe??
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Old 07-31-2016, 03:54 AM   #162
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Is the guy in blue shirt Mr.DjiSamSoe ?
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Old 07-31-2016, 04:20 AM   #163
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Old 07-31-2016, 06:06 AM   #164
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I'd recommend not being a fish and handing over money to fake police
they weren't fake, otherwise other drivers would have called it in immediately.
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Old 07-31-2016, 06:45 AM   #165
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lol sound theory

they probably weren't fake, probably could have got away with less then 300 though

know 2 girls there that have nice cars, they get stopped often, they generally pay 20k rupiah and drive off, sure a foreigner will be expected to give more, but 100 would have done the trick
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Old 07-31-2016, 07:05 AM   #166
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But they're so rude, even more so than Thais, are you sure they'd call it in
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Old 07-31-2016, 07:36 AM   #167
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if i have to 'adjust to different environments' in thailand so that people wont be rude to me in thailand because i am wearing shorts that just shows thais are rude
Only to people in shorts (it's not really about shorts but yeah)

And 'ruder' not 'rude' cos lol we're still talking about a top 5 country in the world for niceness, if we're talking about the ease of getting into girls' pants

I'd say once you meet a minimum standard of presentation they respond more positively than other places

In poorer countries they're politer to people that dress busto (like you no offence) because it's more normal, and imo dressing well wouldn't really give any benefit only make you a target for overcharging, robbery, make girls uncomfortable, or other negative effects. or just neutral as they wouldn't appreciate it

But in Thailand since they're so image conscious and have a bit more money looking good results in more of a positive effect than it would elsewhere

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Old 07-31-2016, 07:40 AM   #168
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lol sound theory

they probably weren't fake, probably could have got away with less then 300 though
6-8 men can't just stand conspicuously on a main road in a busy city and extort people. they were cops.

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know 2 girls there that have nice cars, they get stopped often, they generally pay 20k rupiah and drive off, sure a foreigner will be expected to give more, but 100 would have done the trick
sure, because people generally don't have much money on them. i was expecting to pay no more than 100k rupiah and moving on.

the difference is i was on my way to the airport, i was carrying all my belongings (ie money and valuables), i look like a person who has money, he looked at my passport and saw i was up to page 30 (meaning i have the money and/or job that allows me to travel frequently).

he quickly surmised (correctly) that i could pay significantly more than the average mark.
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Old 07-31-2016, 07:41 AM   #169
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if you are rude to someone because they are wearing shorts and a t shirt in the middle of the day in 90 degree weather when not a formal event....... you are rude
I wear t shirts all the time and not all shorts / t shirts are the same
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Old 07-31-2016, 07:54 AM   #170
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Most of those "top tier club girl" pics I've seen are pretty gross. It's their attempt at looking like what they perceive to be a hot westerner, imo average girls are way hotter. Kind of like how all over Asia guys will go for a girl with really light skin no matter how she looks while most foreigners don't care about skin tone as long as the girl is hot.
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Old 07-31-2016, 08:07 AM   #171
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he quickly surmised (correctly) that i could pay significantly more than the average mark.
So hand over 400k rupiah not $400 lol

Fake / corrupt police essentially the same thing, they're not doing police work. Police in Indo have nothing to do with foreigners for the most part, immigration does.

They wouldn't have taken you to the station that's always just an empty threat, too much paperwork for them to bother, they'd rather scam the next guy. And they wouldn't have 'ended up in a canal' either as you posted. And leave earlier if you have a plane to catch, aim for 2hrs before the plane leaves then you have a spare hour if something like that goes wrong.
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Old 07-31-2016, 08:23 AM   #172
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ya there was no reason to start the bidding at $300, $100 would have made his eyes light up, you just thought 'oh **** im finally in trouble for carrying around way to much cash, ie making a huge travel noob mistake, and i better pay $300 so he doesnt take all $1500'



you guys can spin the thai stuff however you like, if people are going to be nice to you or not nice to you based on the way you dress when in non formal settings then they are rude people, or more rude then people that aren't going to become rude if you don't dress to their lofty standards


it really is amazing how this is difficult to figure out...... country A is nice to you no matter what, country B is nice to you only if you dress a certain way.... who has the genuinely nicer people?
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Old 07-31-2016, 08:38 AM   #173
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So hand over 400k rupiah not $400 lol
he realised that since i had my belongings on me, since i don't look poor, since i travel frequently, since i had a plane to catch, i could be extorted for a lot of money.

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Fake / corrupt police essentially the same thing, they're not doing police work. Police in Indo have nothing to do with foreigners for the most part, immigration does.

of course they're not doing police work. they're looking to extort people. that's what corrupt cops do all over south-east asia.


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They wouldn't have taken you to the station that's always just an empty threat, too much paperwork for them to bother, they'd rather scam the next guy.
i wasn't planning to jump on the back of a motorbike or getting in a car with these maniacs at 5am in the morning. they might take all my stuff and leave me for dead.

at 5am in the morning, they weren't going to get a better mark than someone with money and headed to the airport.

i was negotiating for about 15 minutes going back and forth, repeatedly pleading i didn't have anything close to 10 million rupiah on me (i had much more in actual fact), showing a little bit of money. it wasn't going far and the guy was becoming increasingly belligerent. i got out of the taxi at one point because i felt safer being in the open rather than in a position where a couple people could jump into the back of the cab with me. at one point when i was out of the car, he was trying to pay the cab driver to leave so that i would be stranded and completely at their mercy.


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And they wouldn't have 'ended up in a canal' either as you posted.
that's not a chance i want to take. if these guys are so brazen they'll extort someone for 10 million rupiah i wouldn't put anything past them.

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And leave earlier if you have a plane to catch, aim for 2hrs before the plane leaves then you have a spare hour if something like that goes wrong.
really helpful advice.
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Old 07-31-2016, 08:40 AM   #174
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ya there was no reason to start the bidding at $300, $100 would have made his eyes light up, you just thought 'oh **** im finally in trouble for carrying around way to much cash, ie making a huge travel noob mistake, and i better pay $300 so he doesnt take all $1500'
they started the bidding at 10 million rupiah. they would never ask you for that much because they would think you wouldn't have that kind of money on you.
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Old 07-31-2016, 09:47 AM   #175
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it really is amazing how this is difficult to figure out...... country A is nice to you no matter what, country B is nice to you only if you dress a certain way.... who has the genuinely nicer people?
but country B is nicer than A if you dress a certain way

it's like a fish giving away more if are not a nit playing vs them
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