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Old 04-20-2010, 01:32 PM   #526
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Hi Syous!

I found SuperUberBob's thread first and posted this there:



Again, your thread is great too, thanks!
So as you are living in Seoul this is probably a better place to ask.

Do you know something about Seoul National University? Any friends studying there? Really excited about the possibility of going to Seoul, it would definitely be a mind-changing experience for a Finnish guy like me.
I think Seoul National U is supposed to be #1. Dunno, it's like top 3 schools in Seoul

I don't know anyone studying there and dude, you're gonna have a great time in Korea if you learn some of the language. I feel like Europeans fit in better there, dunno why :P

When are you going?
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I was stationed in South Korea for 15 months, it's a unique and interesting place for sure. Had a lot of fun times in Seoul as well. I only had one rule, stay away from the Kimchi!!
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What's wrong with Kimchi? I like it quite a bit, but it does stink lol
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Hi all. Lots of good information on Korea in this thread. I'm bored so I'm going to give you guys an alternative perspective on what has been posted here. Hopefully will post soon!
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Hi guys. I'm a Korean American who pretty much after graduating from NYU with a degree in Hotel and Casino management couldn't find a good job that suited me in America. As a fluent speaker of both languages I went to Korea in search of work and got a job and moved up through the ranks and now work as a VIP host at a Korean casino (would rather not say which one).

Throughout the years I've dealt with many clients a couple of which basically made me their personal assistant (by demand of my job). Doing such work has resulted in some korean/japanese ballers taking me all over Seoul to all the sorts of places. I've been back here for 11 years and I've pretty much seen it all. I am here now to tell you everything there is to know about the side of Korea that men love (but only the rich can afford).

This might get a bit vulgar at points, so make sure your wives aren't in the room and cover your children's eyes!

Well theres three basic categories Night Clubs/Room Salons/Anma. Those are what I'll talk about.

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Night clubs:

First off are night clubs. They are designed to cater to the man. You go with a group of guys and get your own private room. The waiter provides you with side dishes usually involving some sort of meat or fruit platters, lots of whiskey, and lots of beer. The bigger the room generally the more alcohol you are forced to buy. The basic idea of the club is speed dating. Music is generally a mix of western hip-hop and korean songs and maybe a little trance or techno here and there. Girls start coming in at 8 and most guys get there between 9-11 unless it's the later crowd then it's open till 7 AM. At the best clubs you have to get there by 11 or have a really good waiter to get a room, and if you don't then you have to wait till around 3 AM to get a room.

Girls all have tables surrounding the dance floor and then surrounding that are the rooms where you would want to be. No prostitutes in these kinds of clubs, all normal girls ranging from church going virgins to skanky every night trying to 1-night-stand sluts. They open up at around 9, but girls start getting in around 8 PM. The clubs let only good looking girls in. The only chance an ugly girl would have of getting in is if she comes with a group of hot girls, or if shes paying for her own room, which usually only guys get unless girls are throwing a birthday party or something.

Some of my japanese clients really love these places as not only are they big gamblers but they love Korean women, and what better of a place to hit on girls and practice their Korean language skills in the process! Kinds of girls you'll meet in night clubs: Lots of girls claiming to be studying to be a 'dancer' or an 'actress.' Lots of flight attendants, lots of girls in school, lots of girls working as bartenders, lots of room salons girls. We'll get to what a room salon girl is later. Basically these clubs are anything goes.

Your waiter will constantly usher in girls to you and your buddies all night. If he's doing a good job he'll be peeping in through the door window or just opening it to check if there is none. No more than 5 minutes should ever pass with a guy not having a girl next to them. But remember, these are normal girls! The whole premise of the club is that the girls go there knowing waiters will pick them off from the dance floor, leaving the bathroom, or their table and 'drag' them to a new guy's room. It's funny how the korean girls always act like 'no no no' as the waiter brings them in but it's all an act. They know what they are there for. But if they don't like what they see in you or feel from the first impression they will leave. Sometimes they are modest and are too shy to directly leave so they wait till you try and get their number then leave, never to return your calls. Sometimes they are only semi-modest and give you a chance and drink a couple shots with you then leave. Sometimes they sit down look at you and leave without saying anything. Mentally prepare yourself to be rejected! But it's all in good fun, and there are girls in the club for every guy, patience and confidence is key.

For those of you that aren't Korean and don't speak Korean you can have fun too! I'd estimate like 20% of the girls going to night clubs nowadays speak english pretty well, and 50% more than that have somewhat enough of an understanding to have fun. It's all body language anyways. I've gone with some Canadian clients who didn't speak a word of Korean and they had a blast. Theres karaoke machines in every room too.

Few things to remember: Price range is 400$-2000$ depending if its weekday or weekend which is more expensive, size of room and number of guys attending and how much you drink all also factor in as well to the price. You're going to need to know a waiter to get in but if you don't you definitely can show up with a crew of guys looking sharp and they will respect/trust you enough to introduce you to one. If you guys are all non-koreans I'd definitely suggest finding a korean friend to go with though so everything is smooth. Don't let a waiter **** with you. Negotiate the bill from the beginning. You can bargain off 20% atleast of what they ask just by being bold and sticking to your guns. I once went with a Korean client who had obviously been to night clubs many times. The waiter said the price would be 900. Then my client said 500. Then the waiter said 'okay 700,' then my client was like '500 or I walk out the door and find a new waiter you should be happy to have my business since I come so often.' Waiter instantly bowed and said 'Ok fine' in Korean and walked out the door to get us girls and alcohol. Another thing to remember: do not go to the dance floor with a girl unless you check it out first. These clubs are all about the talking and drinking not the dancing. Usually it's only girls on the dancefloor and it's not that packed so unless you are really confident and have some good moves don't even attempt it because it will end up awkward.

I've seen all sorts of things at these places. Guys using the couches in the rooms to barricade the door shut and have sex with a girl, guys taking girls into the room bathroom and ****ing them, yeah most good rooms have their own private bathrooms which is nice. I've seen two booking girls battling over one guy and it turns into a grubby cat fight. I've seen a girl throw a bucket of ice at a guys face because he cursed at her. I've seen tons of funny and sick stuff in these clubs, but I'd say in general they are pretty tame compared to clubs in NYC and such. No fighting ever really happens, no drugs, and not too much raunchiness. Though, even the girls that appear shy and humble are putting up a disguise; they are all there to meet guys so always be confident. Motels are literally everywhere and most night clubs are connected to hotels too. All the night clubs also have secret entrances so if you end up going there and someone gets denied because they are underage your waiter always has the capability to sneak them in the back.

I love these places and would go more if I could afford it, so every chance I get to go with my clients is more like a night of play and not work. What you drink is only beer/whiskey though I've heard they are allowing customers to order all sorts of alcohols these days. Drink as slow as possible. It's all about survival. Club generally gets really poppin around 2 AM when all the girls are tipsy but you always need to be able to have a fun intelligent conversation so stay semi-sober! Also. always instantly offer girls drinks after you've broken the introduction etc. barriers and shes comfortable. They will usually not drink unless you offer them strongly by holding them an empty shotglass as you ask them, making it not a question but more like a 'hear take this.' Koreans love to drink and respect good drinkers. If you're not Korean learn some korean words/phrases before going...it will help you a lot. Another thing you must remember. If you're with a girl and she says she has to go play with her friends or go to the bathroom always get her digits! Even IF she intends on coming back it's a ravenous jungle of waiters out there in the night club ready to pull them into new room after room. She might not even be able to get back if she wants to, and maybe she'll forget where your room is. Time and time again I've seen guys too proud to get the number because they 'know shes coming back.' Guess what buddy shes not!

BOSS night club at An-Sae-Byungwon-Sa-guh-ri and Club I night club at the Riviera Hotel in chungdamdong are the two best night clubs. CHeck them out! Thats all I could think of off the top of my head for now, post any questions and I'll be of help!

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Room Salons:

Room salons are EVERYWHERE with all sorts of different levels and classifications. The basic idea of a room salon is you get a room to drink with your buddies and drink with professional girls. Now, there are all sorts of different kinds and each different kind has all sorts of different girls. The girls will drink and sing and play with you all night, and some will go home for you for a price.

This is what it's like: You get in the room salon with your clients and/or friends and your madam comes in the room. Your alcohol has already been pre-placed in the room. Almost always whiskey and then beers upon request. The madam is in charge of the bill and the girls. Shes the only one you deal with at all. Only ballers are allowed in these places so she won't discuss pricing until the end, and it is expensive. She comes in says hello and introduces herself to any newcomers. She'll make some dirty jokes and ask you stuff like what kind of girl do you want, and do you want girls that are available for "2-cha" which is korean for "2nd car" which translates to "pay extra to take the girl home or to a motel after and **** her." Once she's got the gist of things and has had a shot of whiskey with everyone she starts bringing in girls. She'll bring in 1-6 girls at a time and line them up at the front of the room and have each girl introduce themselves, depending on availability. Lots of rich business men go to these places and pick the best girls so if you get to these places late it can be frustrated. Get there by 9 PM and you're good to go.

These girls in the lineup will be the most beautiful korean women you've ever seen in your life, though most have had plastic surgery. But trust me, you won't care. Age range 20-32. At the good places they are far far more attractive than any korean pop star girls you see on TV. As soon as you select the one you want she comes and sits next to you, often interlocking arms or hands, and just cuddling up to you in general. She is now your 'partner.' It is her job to constantly refill your glass with alcohol, to get you whatever you want, to talk about whatever you want, to talk dirty, to make you feel like a king. To a first-timer these places can be incredibly intimidating because you'll be thinking "Wow shes way too hot for me." or "She's just acting like she likes me because shes getting paid so much for this." Both of those thoughts will usually be 100% true, but you just gotta enjoy the moment. Let loose and don't be awkward and enjoy. If in the lineup you can't choose a girl you can tell the madam 'nope' and she'll continuously bring more lineups of girls depending on availability for you to choose from. You can get multiple girls for more $ etc.

There are different types of places though. The first I'll describe is called '10-pro' supposedly meaning top 10% of room salon girls. These best of the best places with the hottest girls have girls on rotation. So if you pick a girl she actually has 2-4 rooms shes attending to so she comes in, stays for 15 mins, then leaves for 30 mins before coming back as shes rotating around from room to room. Korean businessmen take their clients to these places to please them while trying to make a deal. They aren't really ideal for non-korean speaking poker players because a. the girls don't speak english often b. very expensive c. white guys almost have no shot unless they speak the language perfectly d. u can't even pay to **** the girls at these kinds of places. These girls are pulling in 10-30k a month. While they don't ****, they are highly skilled at making the man that chose them for that night happy. They dress super sexy and will often reveal more, they will get up and straddle u and pass a cherry from their mouth to yours in a kiss, they will give you massages, they will do sexy dances, they will sit in your lap, whatever you want. If you can get over the whole 'this isn't real because i'm paying for it' thing, then these places are alot of fun. Price range for these places with avg. 4 guys attending: 4k minimum unless you're a regular then you can get discounts.

Next is 'jum-o' or '.5' These are room salons just like the '10-pro' except the quality of girls is slightly lower. But don't get me wrong, they are still out of this world beautiful. At these places you get a mix of things. Some girls can be ****ed for $, some can't, and some only agree to do it after meeting you and figuring out if they like you enough to let you pay to **** them. I know lol. These places you'll really have to rely on your madam early on to make sure your needs are catered to. They often times bring in a lineup of 'non-****able' then a lineup of '****able' for you to choose from. But in these places, if you are willing to throw around money, they are all ****able for the right price. The price for taking girls home from these kinds of places is 400-600,000 won which is avg 500$, but sometimes theres a 50% or 100% tax for non-asians. Yup they fear the big white penis or the kinky **** that they imagine whites might do like slap them or something. Avg price range here (not including ****ing-fees) 1.5-3k for 4 guys.

Next level I forget if theres even a name. Theres lots of places that are like 'jum-o's except all the girls are 100% ****able and the place is attached to a hotel. Same setup except you pay a set price to drink for 2 hours. Girls will often do sexy lingere shows as these places are more overtly sexual but it's mostly still just drinking and talking. You can molest them at will though as long as you aren't rough or go too far. After the 2 hours is up your waiter asks you if you want 2 more hours or to go to '2-cha' or 'go **** the girls upstairs' Unlike 'jum-o' the girl will instantly shower and leave after ****ing, whereas at the other style of room salon if u pay for a girl she might stay for a while or maybe the whole night if she likes you. One of my japanese clients in this kinda place selected THE WHOLE lineup then took them all for some 5v1 orgy. Price range ~1.5k total for 4 guys drinking 2 hrs, then 250-500 more each if you want to ****.

They also have even dirtier places. Where upon choosing your girls you talk nicely for 5-10 mins then all the girls get up and turn up the music and do a little 'show' while getting naked down to only their panties. They are like the place I just told you about except you can't **** them but at the end of the two hours they turn on the music loud, turn off the lights, get naked, lay everyone on their back, and simultaneously jerk everyone off. Price range 1.5-2k total for 4 guys all things included.

Thats room salons for you guys. They are literally EVERYWHERE. New ones close and/or pop up all the time. It's part of the business because clients get bored of same places and same girls so the places move to new venues and juggle girls around. Millions of girls in Seoul so theres always fresh meat for the rich Korean business men to drool over. The best ones are in the Apgu-jeong or Sam-sung areas. Rich area = hot girls. Oh and btw these places usually close at 3 or 4ish so often times after work these girls head to the night clubs for more action.

For me they have been pretty hit or miss. Sometimes the girls are boring and it's a bland night. Sometimes everyones having the best fun, non stop drinking games, dirty jokes, or everyone teaming up and picking on 1 of the girls if shes really arrogant and teasing her to death. It's still pretty hard for me to have true fun when I know the girl is merely acting nice and into me because it's her job but thats just me. But sometimes my clients pay for me to go to '2-cha' and it would be unprofessional to refuse. Those are usually the best nights!

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Anma:

These are the massage parlors of Seoul. Anma means massage in Korean but if you see it on a building it's synonomous with 'whorehouse.'

You walk in and pay 180-220,00 won around 200$. You then get lead by someone working there into a locker room. You put your belongings and clothes in the locker and put on your robe. You are then led to another room. A hot girl then comes in and offers you a variety of drinks from the fridge in the room. The room is equipped with two halves, one half has a bed and the other half has a shower and bubble bath area. You have a little small talk with the girl and then it begins. She tells you to get naked and she undresses as you do as well. Sometimes she'll be in theme like dressed up like a flight attendant or something, but usually just a sexy skirt and a shirt that shows boobs. She then washes you in the shower while your both naked. She'll try to get your dick riled up a bit while soaping you. After showering then she'll make you lie face down on the padded washable bed in the shower area. She'll gell you up and then slide her naked body all over yours using every part of her body. She'll kiss your neck and start grabbing your balls. Then she flips you up and does the same process and gets you really horny. Then she'll start giving you a blow job (sometimes putting a condom on you first, sometimes not). The whole showering / gell shower nude massage takes about 20-30 minutes and when she knows you're ready then she'll stand you up, rinse you off, then give you some towels and tell you go to lie down on the real bed. Then she'll completely wash herself and dry herself. Then she'll come to you on the bed and do a bunch more erotic stuff before eventually condom'ing you up and ****ing you. Afterwards she washes and showers you again, dries you off, and makes you get dressed. She'll offer you some more tea or something and a cigarette, and most likely smoke one herself too. The whole process lasts 1 hour max and then a worker comes knocking on the door and you get led out to your locker. From that point on you can go pay and do it again with a new girl, or you can order some food as they have nice kitchens, or you can go sleep for free in a small room with a TV and a floor pad, or you can get a real massage from a blind professional. Then you leave feeling fresh and clean.

They have all sorts of variations of these places as well. Sometimes you get 3 girls, sometimes you get 2 bonus girls but only for the sex part. Sometimes you get a blowjob in a different room from one girl then you get led to your main girl at the 'cum twice' places. Also if you show up between 3-8 AM at a good place odds are they are full and you have to wait for a girl in one of the sleeping rooms. If you pass out you can have your service whenever you want, and if you decide you don't want it anymore they will give you a free pass for next time.

Some of these places are really high tech and organized with really hot girls. The girls are well trained to use condoms and are often STD tested. Not that that makes it safe but it's probably the cleanest form of prostitution in the world if thats saying anything. There are of course raunchy places. I'd say every block in Seoul has an Anma on it on average and often times they are clustered together. Prostitution is illegal in Seoul but of course the mafia and corrupt cops keep these places in business. Plus, having such places for easy release for men probably stops a lot of crime. If you're not Korean you can definitely get in most of these places, but some might reject you. If you go with a korean you should be fine. Though there are some places that allow Koreans only because they are so popular anyways that you have to reserve ahead of time to even go there.

I'm not really a fan of whoring...but my job forces me to do vulgar things sometimes. First time going I was really shy but I got used to it.

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There are cheap red light districts where you can walk by and see girls in windows then go in and insta-**** them for like 50$ or something but they are really dirty and in scummy areas.

There are 'sexy bars' all over seoul which are just normal bars except the girls working there wear bikinis or sexy dresses and interact with customers alot.

Most girls that work at Anmas work there not because they were forced, but because they got massive credit card debt or took loans from the wrong gangsters and are basically forced to work there until their debt is paid off. Those Anma girls make like 10k a month. Same is true about the room salon girls for getting into it, but usually after their debt is paid they get so addicted to the easy money glamour lifestyle that stay one.

Almost all madams were ex-working girls but not all.

Night club waiters have varying degrees of 'power' so you need to find a good one for best room selection.

Anything is possible. Room salon girls that are not for sale can be charmed just like any normal girl.

Business men that go to room salons often do stuff like buy the girl a 100k car, or pay off her entire debt in return for the girl being his 'girlfriend.'

Alot of the actresses that aren't so famous are for sale on a high-end prostitution black market among korean CEO's. 10k **** yo!

Normal karaoke drinking places all have call girl services that can bring in mobile line-ups of girls for you to choose to drink with and **** just like a 'jum-o.' Though they aren't as hot but the places are cheaper.

There are of course normal hip-hop and trance clubs all over seoul I just left them out...room salon girls love to frequent those on the weekends when they aren't working. Room salons are weekday things because businessmen take their company members or clients after work.

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Okay thats all I can think of for now. I hope you guys enjoyed. And for your information even though I've experienced all this I'm not some big whoring freak. I have a girlfriend which I love and loves me and part of loving her means not ever letting her find out about what my job forces me to do sometimes. Good thing she doesn't read forums nor does she speak english hehe
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Great post. Dying to go back to Seoul! Club I ftw
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What an excellent post. It covers so much of what the scene, and life in general is like in Korea. I was employed as a musician and while attempting to collectively select a private instructor my coworkers and I were taken to one of these booking clubs in samsung by a professional that wanted our business. It was exactly as mentioned but I always wondered how much it ended up costing him. Guess it worked out. He made that money back in like 6 weeks after we all started up with him. It was quite an experience and took me a few minutes/shots to adjust to what was happening but once I realized how SUPER standard it was for the most normal/highest parts of society in Seoul it was like I had done it all my life. Had such a great time.

Had a friend tell me a seriously creepy tale from a joint (an anma as he described it but I'm not sure since I wasn't there) in Miari (a red-light district of Seoul) where the girl he ended up with was super insistent about not letting him go even 12 hours later when he tried to leave. She basically cried and begged him not to leave her.

One thing to glean from KB's post here is that most of the underground stuff caters to Koreans and even if the joint lets you in you will almost always get a better price and CERTAINLY a better experience if you go with a Korean man with some balls.

I went a little crazy (for me) in my two years there and once I had the first one I knocked out about a dozen more before I left. It doubled my previous experience in America but the girls on average were without a doubt the most open and receptive to mind-blowing kinky sex. I would say half of the girls I was with had a lower bottom low in terms of what they would do than I do and I'm not exactly a religious guy.

Finally, it's super easy to score for free with a wide variety of beautiful women if you're young (<35 which most here are), willing to learn some (VERY basic) Korean, and have even a D+ game. I **** you not there was a kid that came to us straight from high school/training who was 19, 6'6", fat, not the best looking guy in the world, home-schooled and socially awkward. In 6 months because the guy had a desire to just TRY to get out there he was juggling women. Maybe not 9s and 10s but a few 6s and 7s. He now has a steady who is super stoked on him and they're prob gonna get married. I'm willing to bet I could take any American guy with those qualifications and get him a steady, solid 6+ that could blow his mind and would want to be his gf in less than 2 months.
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Hey I'm a Canadian poker player living in gunsan S.Korea (2.5 hours south of seoul) I'm looking to connect with other players for a home game. Do you know anyone in Gunsan?
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Awesome post KoreanBrad, I'm not really into whores, but it does seem great haha.

I wanna stay in Korea for 4-6 months, and ideas on my available options? I don't want to spend 3k/month on serviced apartment.
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Okay thats all I can think of for now. I hope you guys enjoyed. And for your information even though I've experienced all this I'm not some big whoring freak. I have a girlfriend which I love and loves me and part of loving her means not ever letting her find out about what my job forces me to do sometimes. Good thing she doesn't read forums nor does she speak english hehe
super informative post, will have to get in touch with you on the next seoul trip!
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amazing post.
are there things like that spread all over korea? are they also in busan or uslan, or in other major cities? like one on ever corner like u mention in seoul...
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amazing post.
are there things like that spread all over korea? are they also in busan or uslan, or in other major cities? like one on ever corner like u mention in seoul...
As far as anma are concerned, yes, they're all over. I saw them in every city I toured. Busan, Daegu, Wonju, Kwangju... I stayed in a hotel in Taejon in consecutive years that was in the damn middle of the red light district there. A couple buddies of mine went to a booking club there but they are both at least conversationally fluent in Korean.

In the smaller cities it becomes almost absolutely necessary that the leader of your group is Korean or a baller westerner that speaks fluent Korean. Several places will turn away westerners at the door just on sight. But that's the same in Seoul. Supposedly westerners "scare away Korean customers." Whatever. Just part of the xenophobia in Korea that you will get used to eventually.

A quick addendum that the average woman I saw in Daegu and Kwangju was stunningly gorgeous. The Kwangju girls were damn near completely not used to westerners which made game there soooooo easy. Daegu girls are more used to Americans because of a large US military presence there but JFC the women there were just amazing.
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any poker players here in Gunsan S. Korea. Let's get together for a friendly home game.
holla back!
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I lived in Gunsan for a while.. went to elementary school there..haha

nice place, but definitely not a "City" like Seoul. I say get out of there and go to Seoul/Busan
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I'm not a poker player, but I lived in Korea for half of my life and will be there over the summer. I'll try to contribute to this thread as well.
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