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Old 09-11-2009, 05:21 AM   #26
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I've been in Seoul for about 5 months now. Not playing professionally but teaching English for slave wages.

Seoul is great but Korea as a whole is a very peculiar country from a Western perspective. Hard to explain but foreigners are regarded with a certain amount of skepticism. Most Koreans do not know how to socialize with Westerners. This results in them asking odd questions or not really knowing what to expect from Westerners. It isn't all bad. In fact Koreans are incredibly warm once you get to know them and there are many admirable qualities about Korean culture that you don't find in the west.

Korea allows a great lifestyle for single, young people. Wouldn't want to be here past age 30 but for now it is great. Low taxes, cheap booze, no tipping, are all nice perks. It is very easy to live on $2k a month and still have a lot of fun.

Korean girls are beautiful and *most* foreign guys can hook up/get a girlfriend here. However, it is a very different dating culture than you might encounter in the Philippines, Thailand, or Vietnam. Korean girls are usually more conservative or at least will put up that front.

The myths about Asian girls falling over themselves to get with Western guys are not true here. However, there are millions of women in this country and x% of them are interested in foreign guys and the other x% aren't. There is nothing more pathetic than some new white guy who assumes that Korea will be his sexual playground; and nothing more satisfying than watching him fail miserably. It's all about the right mentality and attitude. Be a nice, clean, respectful guy who is curious about Korean life and you will do just fine.
Yeah, I've had a bit of trouble breaking through that front. Obviously, I have a very small sample size but the Korean girls I have dated have bored me half to death and again, conservative front (though one of them actually was a Christian). I mean, I ask them what they do in their spare time and I get lame answers like watching TV. Hobbies/interests? Well, nothing really. I don't know if they're shy about revealing bits of their personality or fear being rejected or whatever, but it's really depressing.
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Old 09-11-2009, 05:23 AM   #27
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if you're into kpop, this is a new group that's pretty addicting~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_q75...response_watch

And what I think is the hottest music video out right now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BktWxA5W09A

how do you embed youtube videos?
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Old 09-11-2009, 05:31 AM   #28
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Yeah, I've had a bit of trouble breaking through that front. Obviously, I have a very small sample size but the Korean girls I have dated have bored me half to death and again, conservative front (though one of them actually was a Christian). I mean, I ask them what they do in their spare time and I get lame answers like watching TV. Hobbies/interests? Well, nothing really. I don't know if they're shy about revealing bits of their personality or fear being rejected or whatever, but it's really depressing.
How good is your game in the U.S.? If you're asking questions like "what are your hobbies, what do you like to do" you're going to strike out anywhere. It's not a problem of the culture it's a problem of your language barrier and your game itself.

Try sharing something interesting about yourself first and build from there. Straight up questions like those are awful. They build nothing and categorize you as boring and that's depressing.

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Old 09-11-2009, 05:32 AM   #29
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have you played in or heard about any underground poker games there?
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Old 09-11-2009, 05:36 AM   #30
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have you played in or heard about any underground poker games there?
no and I never will unless I can trust it. Reading rekrul's old post long ago about playing w/a mafia figure in front of him...I never want to get myself in that situation.
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Old 09-11-2009, 06:02 AM   #31
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Can you elaborate more on your teaching job? Hours and how you like it or hate it
I work a regular 40 hrs. 8:30-4:30 M-F

However, I only teach 15-18 of those hours. I am at a public school and they require me to be there 40 hours no matter what (Korea...) I spend my time on the internet, playing poker, watching movies, listening to podcasts etc. It gets boring as hell but it beats a lot of other $12/hr jobs. I also get free housing and don't pay any income tax so the $2k per month I make goes pretty far.

It's a job. Don't love it, don't hate it. But I just graduated and wanted to get out of the U.S. for awhile so it's working out.

I make $400 per month doing private tutoring too. Wish I could find more work but it's illegal and hard to get your name out there.
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Old 09-11-2009, 06:04 AM   #32
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have you played in or heard about any underground poker games there?
There's been some heat on underground games, especially those involving foreigners. There was a highly publicized bust earlier this summer and everyone I've talked to seems to think that underground action has dried up for the time being.
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Old 09-11-2009, 06:08 AM   #33
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why did you decide to pick a public school over hagwon?

Also, where in Seoul are you?
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Old 09-11-2009, 06:24 AM   #34
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nice thread. I've been to Seoul a couple of times for work and traveled to other cities as well. I have colleagues that work in the National Instruments' office in the Kangnam area of Seoul...do u know them by any chance?? (ridic question, i know, since Seoul has such an enormous population, but hey small world stories are still great)

i did love the Korean food and alcohol when i was there, provided the main courses arent too exotic (i.e. squid, etc.). aside from the banchan, Korean food is cooked very similar to indian food at least as far as spices go (I'm Indian, btw).

unfortunately i was not there for a long stretch, only a few days on a seminar/conference tour, so my nightlife only consisted of going out to bars and getting hammered with the colleagues. found the girls there to be very pretty/cute but was too chicken**** to approach any of them beyond simple intros and table banter.

i think Seoul is one of the most expensive cities to live in the world, but u're right, as a college student or someone just starting a career it's not too bad.

i have a couple of questions (even after asking my colleagues to death when i was there):

a. as a pro poker player, im sure u have a lot of free time...plz post TRs of visits to other cities such as Busan, Daejon, etc.if u do end up going.

b. are locals still not allowed to gamble in casinos? what limits and variants of poker do casinos there offer?

c. my NI colleagues get most of their **** (i.e. rent/car) paid for by their company, even if this company doesn't do this for all their employees worldwide. is there a law in Korea that states that companies have to provide so and so perks to employees?

d. there seems to be a paradox to Korean girls. u claim that they are very conservative, etc. Why, then, is there such a high rate of demand for cosmetic plastic surgery on their part? (however, u'll realize that girls ALL over Asia, India included, seem to have this paradox about them. u're right in saying that it's a societal/image thing)

e. do u have both a Korean and US passport? or are u in Korea on a long term visa?

thanks and peace! keep up the good thread and posts.
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Old 09-11-2009, 06:46 AM   #35
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b. are locals still not allowed to gamble in casinos? what limits and variants of poker do casinos there offer?

d. there seems to be a paradox to Korean girls. u claim that they are very conservative, etc. Why, then, is there such a high rate of demand for cosmetic plastic surgery on their part? (however, u'll realize that girls ALL over Asia, India included, seem to have this paradox about them. u're right in saying that it's a societal/image thing)

e. do u have both a Korean and US passport? or are u in Korea on a long term visa?

thanks and peace! keep up the good thread and posts.
Not trying to hijack the thread but I can weigh in on a couple of these.

b. You must hold a foreign passport to play in most Korean casinos.

d. You're right on the cosmetic surgery. An article just came out this week that stated that 50% of all Korean women have undergone some type of cosmetic surgery. I think it comes down to the ultimate goal for most Korean women: Marriage. There is enormous pressure for women to marry and have children by age 30 and I think that they are still a couple decades behind the West in terms of women's equality. This puts an enormous emphasis on beauty since it is probably a young woman's most valuable asset.

e. I work on 1-year visa specific to teaching English.
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Old 09-11-2009, 07:17 AM   #36
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ty clockout! waiting on OP to fill in the rest of the details.
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Old 09-11-2009, 11:10 AM   #37
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nice thread. I've been to Seoul a couple of times for work and traveled to other cities as well. I have colleagues that work in the National Instruments' office in the Kangnam area of Seoul...do u know them by any chance?? (ridic question, i know, since Seoul has such an enormous population, but hey small world stories are still great)

nope. would be cool though

i did love the Korean food and alcohol when i was there, provided the main courses arent too exotic (i.e. squid, etc.). aside from the banchan, Korean food is cooked very similar to indian food at least as far as spices go (I'm Indian, btw).
I wasn't aware of that. Doesn't Indian food take a lot longer? Do you reside in India? I was just in New Delhi a few months ago

unfortunately i was not there for a long stretch, only a few days on a seminar/conference tour, so my nightlife only consisted of going out to bars and getting hammered with the colleagues. found the girls there to be very pretty/cute but was too chicken**** to approach any of them beyond simple intros and table banter.
That's ok. Approaching korean girls is ****ing hard. You're better off making friends during the day and then meeting them at night.

i think Seoul is one of the most expensive cities to live in the world, but u're right, as a college student or someone just starting a career it's not too bad.

i have a couple of questions (even after asking my colleagues to death when i was there):

a. as a pro poker player, im sure u have a lot of free time...plz post TRs of visits to other cities such as Busan, Daejon, etc.if u do end up going.
Sure :P I haven't gone and I should. Right now I just want to grind. Ironically, Korea for me is more of a party city than a cultural tour.

b. are locals still not allowed to gamble in casinos? what limits and variants of poker do casinos there offer?
Locals are not allowed and when I saw Walker Hill, they had just 2/5 I think with a ridiculous rake.

c. my NI colleagues get most of their **** (i.e. rent/car) paid for by their company, even if this company doesn't do this for all their employees worldwide. is there a law in Korea that states that companies have to provide so and so perks to employees?
Absolutely no idea. I've got no clue when it comes to corporate jobs. But I highly doubt it as I haven't heard of people getting their stuff provided for like that unless they're execs

d. there seems to be a paradox to Korean girls. u claim that they are very conservative, etc. Why, then, is there such a high rate of demand for cosmetic plastic surgery on their part? (however, u'll realize that girls ALL over Asia, India included, seem to have this paradox about them. u're right in saying that it's a societal/image thing)

e. do u have both a Korean and US passport? or are u in Korea on a long term visa?
U.S. Passport. I would never want to have a Korean passport. That means I'd have to go to the army. All korean men must go by the age of 21 for 1.5-2 years. NO thanks.

thanks and peace! keep up the good thread and posts.
np Are you going to come back to Korea anytime soon?
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Old 09-11-2009, 11:11 AM   #38
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Not trying to hijack the thread but I can weigh in on a couple of these.

Not a problem man. You know more about this kind of stuff than I do.

b. You must hold a foreign passport to play in most Korean casinos.

d. You're right on the cosmetic surgery. An article just came out this week that stated that 50% of all Korean women have undergone some type of cosmetic surgery. I think it comes down to the ultimate goal for most Korean women: Marriage. There is enormous pressure for women to marry and have children by age 30 and I think that they are still a couple decades behind the West in terms of women's equality. This puts an enormous emphasis on beauty since it is probably a young woman's most valuable asset.

Theory is, if you're single and unmarried by 30, there must be something wrong about you. If you look at this from a biological darwinistic view, it actually makes sense. Pretty cruel though.

e. I work on 1-year visa specific to teaching English.
how much longer are you here for and what do you plan on doing longterm?
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Old 09-11-2009, 11:50 AM   #39
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^^^^^^^^^
Srsly this.
WTF @ Adam Monroe?
lol, not all of asia is like nana plaza
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Old 09-11-2009, 10:25 PM   #40
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xposted from msnl thread, help me out

I'm going to chengdu china in 2 weeks and then I've got 8 days to chill in Asia before I head out to Canada.

Anyone been to Shanghai and/or Japan? I'm currently debating between the two on where to stay. I'm 23 years old and love to get a feel for culture but I also love a good night life...
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Old 09-11-2009, 10:28 PM   #41
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Try sharing something interesting about yourself first and build from there.
Well, I wasn't looking to get laid or anything like that on a first date.

I said plenty of interesting things. Various anecdotes, my experiences here and so on and build from that. I found that it's great to use those things because Koreans (at least ones who like foreigners) have interest in that. With the amount of stuff I've done in the mere 6 months I've been here, I have tons of stories. I try to stay away from those stock questions unless they're quiet because the questions are lame and I hate them.
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Old 09-12-2009, 12:00 AM   #42
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superuber what do u do in korea mostly?

i wander around a bunch and usually end up drinking with a group of english teachers
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superuber what do u do in korea mostly?

i wander around a bunch and usually end up drinking with a group of english teachers
I'm an English teacher in Masan. I hang out with a regular group of foreigners a couple of times a week and hit the gym most days. We're getting a bunch of new faces since some people left their job. So, it's been nice meeting new people.

I'd do some wandering around but honestly, there's very little to see in Masan. If I have trouble sleeping, I go on long walks in the middle of the night and can watch drunk people wandering all over my neighborhood and the one nearby. Relationships and pickups are difficult to get in my area of Masan because there are literally no women in my age group. They see what their life is going to be like here and get the **** out as soon as they're teenagers. The area is composed of ajuma, the occasional foreigner and nuclear families with children below the age of 14.

Most of the great times I've had have been outside of Masan. Though Seoul had some meh moments, it was overall a trip worth making. A week ago, I went on a road trip with some friends to Haeshindang Park and stopped at Geongju and Pohang along the way. Today, I was supposed to go to Busan to watch the Lotte Giants play. However, I drank too much at a friend's birthday last night and couldn't bring myself to leave the apartment. I'll be wandering around Daegu on Sunday.

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I couldn't even read past this. Are you ****ing insane? I've been to so many cities around the world to party that it hurts. NYC nightlife is second to none and if you don't think so, I'm pretty sure you are doing it all wrong.

ETA: Maybe not as cheap or as easy to find asian money-grubbing-whores, but better by far.
you are the single biggest douche on this entire forum, every single post of yours makes me cringe.

maybe instead of getting a new wardrobe to help you, you should consider a drastic change in you personality.
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Old 09-13-2009, 07:45 AM   #45
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hey syous,

not sure if its been said but where are you in seoul? im in jamsil so just wondering :P
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np Are you going to come back to Korea anytime soon?
ty for the replies Syous! enjoy ur stay there. yes, im in india rite now (Bangalore) but will be going on to Singapore soon. dont see a Seoul trip anytime soon
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What do most koreans think about your job, if you ever talked to someone about it?
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most people in korea have no idea about holdem... koreans cant enter casinos
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Old 09-17-2009, 02:48 AM   #49
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sorry koreans with a passport can enter casinos...
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Yeah I know, that's why I'm asking. Since most of them don't know much about poker, and probably view it as total gambling (like most of the world) and gambling is really restricted in South Korea, I guess it would be pretty hard to explain his job.
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